here i've completly disabled razor two weeks ago, it just isn't up to the
task, blocking maybe 50% (if even that) of our spam, and as a bonus it also
crashes the server once in a while (by filling up the mail queue because of
the overhead). currently evaluating a bayesian filter, which so far blocks
98.9% of the spam with ZERO false positive (on a few accounts with sensible
users, ie the sysadmins :P) and the overhead seems to be less.
i seriously doubt my boss would be willing to pay several thousands for
something that can't do the job half of the time
--
Daniel Higgins
Administrateur Système / System Administrator
Netcommunications Inc.
Tel: (450) 346-3401 (st-jean)
(514) 871-1844 (montréal)
Fax: (450) 346-3587
http://www.netc.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jordan Ritter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Re: razor vs cloudmark - merging?
> I would agree. I think my 2000 user corporation might consider it at 15
> cents per user, but definitely not at $1. Our Bayesian filter catches
90%+
> of our spam so that leaves Razor catching only one or two percent the
other
> filters don't. Honestly, I'd probably just switch to DCC, since I've
> already had to whitelist most of my mailing lists so Razor doesn't catch
> them.
>
> A way to look at it is what cost we would pay to _not_ get a spam. Maybe
5
> cents per spam. A home user probably would not pay that, but a
corporation
> might to reduce support calls. We receive probably 70,000 spams a year.
> That would make our spam blocking solution worth $3500 a year. If Razor
was
> the only line of defense, it would definitely be worth the $2000 to block
> 70% of spam. But the value added benefit of Razor to catch an extra %2
the
> other filters don't get, that is hard to justify at $1 a user.
>
> Everybody has to eat, so Razor is going to go commercial since the
> developers working on it are full time. However, the pay-to-use business
> model is probably doomed long term. There would be more than adequate
Razor
> servers for everyone to use if Razor had allowed all the ISP's that wanted
> to become servers to do so. Some other project will do the same thing,
make
> the server code available, and there will be a large enough community of
> servers that it will be free for the small guy and cheap for the large guy
> even with small guys leeching. People will want to put up local servers
for
> the local cache speed benefit, and the server ring will proliferate.
>
> Cloudmark is probably discovering as has Microsoft, that it is hard to
> charge a one-time fee for software and stay in business unless you can
> continue to add features and make your old software obsolete so people are
> persuaded to purchase upgrades. If they sell a caching server, once their
> customer base runs dry they run out of revenue, or have a greatly reduced
> revenue at a 20% yearly support fee. Whereas with a pay-per-user
> subscription service, it is much easier to attract venture capital and
have
> a solid continuity to your business model since you don't rely on
> unpredictable "sales" of the initial product.
>
> That being said, our VP of Finance balks at any kind of recurring cost.
One
> time costs such as capital expenditures, are much more palatable than
yearly
> expenses. Companies hate recurring costs, so this will be a tough sale.
>
> My two cents,
> Fox
>
> #I think the best argument is that we are offering a valuable,
> #effective anti-spam service to the general community at large, and
> #that commercial organizations who utilize this service the most, those
> #who induce the greatest operational cost for running it, should help
> #contribute towards its upkeep.
>
> #--jordan
>
>
>
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