Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool

[Marc Perkel]

It's not a matter of personal opinion. EFF newsletter is not spam 
period. You have to sign up to get it - and each newsletter contains 
unsubscribe information that is simple and works. Therefore - if Razor 
is listing it as spam - it's either a flaw in razor - being misreported 
or gamed by a third party - or someone who is feeding bad information to 
razor through a bad system of reporting what is spam.

EFF's newsletter is not being sent to people who don't request it. If is 
were - then bring those people forward and show me where it's happening 
so that we can remove them from the database. If you can't - then you 
can't claim that that is the reason.

One of the issues I have a real problem with is that there doesn't seem 
to be any way for anyone to determine how something got labeled as spam 
so that the problem can be fixed. There needs to be some accountability 
in the system.

I don't know what a honeypot account is. How does that relate to EFF?

Rod wrote:

The newsletter for the Electronic Frontier Foundation is not spam.
         

This is still a matter of personal opinion. You must never forget this
     

fact.

These two sentences pretty much sum up with what I think is unfixable
about Razor.  If you want to use Razor to 'block' spam, then everyone
using it has to have the same definition os 'spam' or I suspect this
thread will go on as long as Razor does.
   

Probably.

 

Some people expect Razor to block 'spam' using a reasonable definition
of what spam is (which, btw, the EFF newsletter would NOT fall under),
   

If it is sent in bulk to people that haven't requested it then it MUST be
considered spam!
I, like many others have several 'honeypot' accounts (in fact we have a
couple of entire domains used as honeypots), and any mail sent to any of
these accounts or domains are automatically reported as spam.
If someone decides to sign up for the EFF mailing list using any of these
honeypot accounts then it WILL be reported as spam. The problem isn't with
razor, or the fact that honeypots are being used, the problem here lies
solely with EFF for not bothering to validate subscriptions.
Rod





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