On 1 Mar 2003 at 7:27, Shari Steele (posting as Marc Perkel) wrote: > > Dear Razor-Users Mailing List Members, > I would like to apologize for the posting yesterday regarding EFF's response to > Adam Goryachev, a member of this list.
"I'm sorry our true feelings about Razor escaped to the Razor-using public. We are most sorry that we have shot ourselves in the foot in this manner." > We're frustrated that EFFector has > been filtered, and we're even more frustrated when it is implied that it is our > own fault. Clearly, you still miss the point. Ms. Steele, so long as EFF maintains an abusable resource like the EFFector mailing list, which is a prototypical unconfirmed opt-out mailing list, EFF will continue to find the EFFector mailing list being abused by a wide range of people (with agendas from simple vandalism to idealogical opposition to the EFF's stated agenda), and will therefore find EFFector being blocked by systems serving unwilling EFFector recipients. If EFF wishes to see EFFector being delivered effectively, EFF must be considered a responsible mailing list manager. If EFF wishes to be considered responsible, EFF must act responsibly. This requires that EFF take at LEAST these two steps, and the sooner the better: 1) Require that all future subscriptions to the EFFector mailing list be confirmed using some unforgeable token in a response (preferably by e-mail, but acceptably via a web link) from the prospective subscriber. and 2) Clean your existing mailing list by requiring all present "subscribers" -- I place that word in quotes because I have no confidence regarding how many of the addresses on your list actually belong to willing recipients -- to confirm (by means similar to those you will employ for new subscriptions) that they do indeed wish to receive EFFector. To allow for temporary undeliverables (something you should NOT do for initial subscriptions), you can even give them two or three opportunities to respond before you cut them off. This step will at once remove undeliverables from your mailing list and (more importantly) remove all unwilling recipients, protecting the EFFector mailing list from being reported to Razor (and other anti- spam tools) as spam. EFF's failure to implement confirmed opt-in from the beginning of the EFFector mail9ing list has resulted in EFF's present predicament. EFF's continued foot-dragging, despite years of advice from experts to correct EFF's initial failure, has exacerbated EFF's predicament. Nobody but EFF is to blame for this failure, or for EFF's present predicament. Pretending otherwise, blaming the people responsible for serving the users who are sick of spam in their mailboxes, is irresponsible, and gets EFF nowhere but blocked. But we are much more interested in getting this problem solved than > in hurling insults. > > Again, please accept our humblest apologies for the comments forwarded to this list. > Shari > Shari Steele > EFF Executive Director > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Razor-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users -- | I very strongly recommend | Tom Betz, Generalist | | against ever sending me any | Want to send me email? | | "courtesy copies" of posts. | First, read this page: | | <http://www.panix.com/~tbetz/mailterms.shtml> | ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users
