At 11:55 AM 1/25/2005, Eneko Lacunza wrote:
        So the only possibility is that "some" real Razor users revoke when
Razor marks as spam messages by my and my workmates. :) But for that
they first must notice the problem.

Doing some more digging, it looks like the most recent problem is a wave of nigerian spam sent through a server (smtp.latinmail.com) that appends a "scanned by" link to your site:


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.sightings/search?q=www.pandasoftware.es&start=0&scoring=d&;

In particular, the Nigerian spams end in:
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¡Sé listo! Contrata el antivirus
<http://www.pandasoftware.es/tienda/?idpers=109&track=13920>http://www.pandasoftware.es<http://www.pandasoftware.es/tienda/?idpers=109&track=13920>/tienda/?idpers=109&track=13920


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You might want to contact Vipul, or the other Cloudmark folks, if they don't reply to this post of mine, and tell them you are an anti-virus vendor, and that URLs to your site are often included in emails generated by systems outside your control.

In theory they should be able to deal with this, as a lot of AV and anti-spam systems do this kind of thing. Clearly whiplash would have serious issues if it did not whitelist links to such sites, as it would end up blacklisting all users of said AV products as soon as any one of them in the world got abused as a relay.

I know SURBL (a DNS based URL blacklist) has faced the very same kind of problem, and has implemented server-side whitelisting to prevent such "common footer" domains from getting listed. I'd suspect Cloudmark has done the same, as they are in general very smart folks.






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