Hi Matt,

Thanks very much for your digging. This last one seems to be the real
trouble. :)

I hope Cloudmark crew can read this message and can give us (or at least
me, privately) a confirmation that they have taken some action.
Otherwise I'll try to contact them in some days.

Thanks a lot also to Santiago Vila, Daniel McDonald and Dörfler Andreas,
everyone has been really helpful here :)

Kind regards

El mar, 25-01-2005 a las 19:15, Matt Kettler escribió:
> At 11:55 AM 1/25/2005, Eneko Lacunza wrote:
> >         So the only possibility is that "some" real Razor users revoke when
> >Razor marks as spam messages by my and my workmates. :) But for that
> >they first must notice the problem.
> 
> Doing some more digging, it looks like the most recent problem is a wave of 
> nigerian spam sent through a server (smtp.latinmail.com) that appends a 
> "scanned by" link to your site:
> 
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.sightings/search?q=www.pandasoftware.es&start=0&scoring=d&;
> 
> In particular, the Nigerian spams end in:
> -----
> ¡Sé listo! Contrata el antivirus
> <http://www.pandasoftware.es/tienda/?idpers=109&track=13920>http://www.pandasoftware.es<http://www.pandasoftware.es/tienda/?idpers=109&track=13920>/tienda/?idpers=109&track=13920
>  
> 
> -----
> 
> You might want to contact Vipul, or the other Cloudmark folks, if they 
> don't reply to this post of mine, and tell them you are an anti-virus 
> vendor, and that URLs to your site are often included in emails generated 
> by systems outside your control.
> 
> In theory they should be able to deal with this, as a lot of AV and 
> anti-spam systems do this kind of thing. Clearly whiplash would have 
> serious issues if it did not whitelist links to such sites, as it would end 
> up blacklisting all users of said AV products as soon as any one of them in 
> the world got abused as a relay.
> 
> I know SURBL (a DNS based URL blacklist) has faced the very same kind of 
> problem, and has implemented server-side whitelisting to prevent such 
> "common footer" domains from getting listed. I'd suspect Cloudmark has done 
> the same, as they are in general very smart folks.
> 
-- 
Eneko Lacunza
O.D.E. Office
Panda Software - Bilbao (Spain) - http://www.pandasoftware.es



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