Bruce: Yeah I remember Novell from back in the days, it was the first network we used at the company I worked at back then. I was shocked to see this company still using it. When I upgraded them from DOS to RBase 9, the ever helpful John Minyo worked with me to try to get the workstations to recognize the server install but we gave up and I didn't blame RBTI at all! So we did local installs, which are a PITA to maintain in my opinion. Got them upgraded to version 10, but half their machines are still Windows 95... sigh.... We're holding off on 10.5 (at this point, probably 11) until they hopefully get these old workstations out of here! But of course there's no guarantee that new workstations would work with Novell I suppose! Glad that isn't my job....
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Tom, , Doug, sounds like R:BASE runs autonomously vis-a-vis a server OS. Advantage goes to server OS & hardware when client I/O is heavy, just like anything else. Happy RDP access then becomes the game changer. Or, maybe, a client-server version of R:BASE? ;) Karen, Novell was pretty hot back in the heady DOS file server days thirty years ago ... not going back ... nor should anyone else. Were it still available, the DOS-based CBIS NetBIOS peer-to-peer network[1] would probably work well for them. As for today's security, easier to maintain a tight perimeter on one machine than ten. Thanks all! [1] Worked flawlessly through DOS v6.22 @1998 Bruce A. Chitiea | SafeSectors, Inc.112 Harvard Ave #272 | Claremont CA 91711-4716 | [email protected] | +011 (909) 238-9012 c | +011 (909) 912-8678 f Pour Jean-Marc :Doug, Karen Tom ... merci pour le feedback.Tom, , Doug, il semble que R:BASE fonctionne de manière autonome par rapport à un système d'exploitation serveur. L'avantage va au système d'exploitation et au matériel du serveur lorsque les E/S du client sont importantes, comme pour toute autre chose. L'accès heureux par RDP devient alors le changement de jeu.Ou, peut-être, une version client-serveur de R:BASE ? ;)Karen, Novell était très en vogue à l'époque grisante des serveurs de fichiers DOS il y a trente ans... il ne reviendra pas en arrière... et personne ne devrait le faire. S'il était encore disponible, le réseau CBIS NetBIOS peer-to-peer basé sur DOS [1] fonctionnerait probablement bien pour eux. Quant à la sécurité d'aujourd'hui, il est plus facile de maintenir un périmètre étanche sur une machine que sur dix.Merci à tous !1] Fonctionne parfaitement sous DOS v6.22 @1998. ------ Original Message ------From: "Tom Hart" <[email protected]>To: [email protected]: 6/14/2021 12:41:39 PMSubject: Re: [RBASE-L] - RBGX5E Server Requirements Been running it for years off all windows, sometimes up to 10 simultaneously with no problem Tom Hart On Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 1:45 PM 'Karen Tellef' via RBASE-L <[email protected]> wrote: I have RBase installed on the server of all my applications (except one -- who is on some weird Novel network and we could never get it to work on it). Most of my clients I remote in directly to the server and run RBase on the server. This enables you to do things like clear ghost connections and reboot the server if needed. And yeah, it's lightning fast (which is an issue if you're programming and you forget that it probably won't run as fast on the workstations). But for other clients I remote into a workstation, RBase is installed on the server but we never activate it because no one, including me, runs RBase on the server itself. But yeah, the company has to have trust in you to give you unfettered access to the server. As for security... I suppose if someone knows your username/password and what remote software you use, that's marginally worse than someone getting into a workstation. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Doug Hamilton <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Jun 14, 2021 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [RBASE-L] - RBGX5E Server Requirements Bruce - R:Base does not need to be "running" on the server O/S. It was some time ago, but I think I ran the install on the server O/S as a "server" install, so the catch is that upgrades have to be run on the server O/S, they won't run on a workstation. To set up R:Base on a workstation, navigate to [MappedDrive]\RBTI\RBGX5E\RBGX5E.EXE and "Send To" Desktop to create the shortcut; adjust properties accordingly. I found it's much easier and saves future headaches to accept the R:Base default install paths. Conversely, R:Base can run on the server if an extra client seat is needed. I'm thinking of doing that for a client. They have a workstation that I access via Remote Desktop but find that there are often conflicts with others in the office who need to use that computer - obviously they have priority. The server would be an ideal seat for me - no conflict with other users and it is probably faster than greased lightening because the data is "right there" - no network issues to contend with. Has anyone done this? Any considerations (server security, I know)? Any gotchas? Thanks, Doug On 6/14/2021 11:19 AM, Bruce Chitiea wrote: Question: Without taking into account the number of users, does a server install of RBGX5E require installation on a server operating system e.g. Microsoft Windows Server 2019, or will it run usefully on a Windows 10 workstation? I'm thinking here of my small-shop environment, where I'd have at most two workstation installs testing multi-user configuration. Wondering if R:BASE concurrency features require server-OS assist. Thanks very much, yours: Bruce A. Chitiea | SafeSectors, Inc. 112 Harvard Ave #272 | Claremont CA 91711-4716 | USA [email protected] | +011 (909) 238-9012 c | +011 (909) 912-8678 f -- For group guidelines, visit http://www.rbase.com/support/usersgroup_guidelines.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBASE-L" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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