New topic: Realbasic and PureBasic
<http://forums.realsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?t=46544> Page 1 of 3 [ 34 posts ] Go to page 1, 2, 3 Next Previous topic | Next topic Author Message mez Post subject: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:29 am Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:09 am Posts: 16 As a trial user and potential purchaser of realstudio I am struggling to justify the cost long term. Purebasic whilst not as polished on the IDE side of things it seems to have things like 64bit Cocoa support, built in controls for treeviews, No external DLLs, Single binaries and all for 79 euro's including life-time updates. Even taking into account the new pricing structure RB does seem very expensive when taking purebasic as an example product in comparisant. Top DaveS Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:41 am Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:46 am Posts: 4412 Location: San Diego, CA Remember with the new pricing structure... RealStudio can be FREE... You only need to purchase a license if you want to deploy your application.... and even then you only have to buy the minimum license ONE time (however you don't get updates that occur AFTER that license expires) And here is something else to consider. The OLD pricing structure is still in effect. You can get a Personal Licence for $100(US) and renewals for $50(US). That license transfers to the next major release for as long as it is in effect. (Not sure what 79euros is in $US) _________________ Dave Sisemore MacPro, OSX Lion 10.7.4 RB2012r1 Note : I am not interested in any solutions that involve custom Plug-ins of any kind Top mez Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:51 am Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:09 am Posts: 16 IDE is Free (Ok so we have a carrier/shopping bag and no groceries) IDE FREE FREE Desktop Deployment $300 $150 Web Deployment $400 $200 Console Deployment $100 $50 DB Servers $300 $150 So in order for me to publish a desktop server application with a database backend and a console client will cost a total of $800 + a renewal cost of $350 + the cost of plugins to make up for things that RB do not provide. Wow that is not cheap for a small hobbyist/developer when purebasic http://www.purebasic.com/ would be aprrox $100 for database support etc... Top DaveS Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:09 am Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:46 am Posts: 4412 Location: San Diego, CA WOW... try doing the math over again Desktop =$300 for first year (unless you spend $100 NOW) DB Server =$300 (only if you need REMOTE databases such as mySQL etc... RS comes with SQLite for free) Console is probably not even necessary... unless you need to write NON-GUI apps So... that is $600($300)....... and again.... if you take advantage of the CURRENT license, and buy a few years renewal .. you can save a boat load of $$$... PureBasic relies on (XCode has to be installed (with command line tools) to be able to run PureBasic on OS X) to run... and I may be wrong... but PureBasic does not seem to come across as an OBJECT ORIENTED programming language, but more of a PROCEDURAL one.... giving RS a HUGE advantage if that is true. But then..... its not up to me to sell you one way or the other.. Those of us that use RS will tell you it is better, those that use PB will tell you theirs is better... it is up to you to decide. But from your previoius comments, I think you have already decided. Note : I have put out a whole $50 a year to support RS.... and have everything necessary to support myself as a "small developer", and if you were looking for tools to support an Enterprise or larger commerical situation, $300 a year for updated software, and technical support would be a "small" investement. _________________ Dave Sisemore MacPro, OSX Lion 10.7.4 RB2012r1 Note : I am not interested in any solutions that involve custom Plug-ins of any kind Top mez Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:32 am Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:09 am Posts: 16 Fair point but in reality the new pricing structure is NOT hobbyist friendly IMO. >From the website: Hobbyist Real Studio is the perfect environment to use for pet programming projects. Whether you're 9 or 90, you can use Real Studio to create software to enhance how you use your computer and improve your quality of life. Providing you just happen to be fortunate and well off enough and can afford to spend $400 Last edited by mez on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:47 am, edited 1 time in total. Top kermit Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:35 am Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 12:56 am Posts: 590 I use the personal edition. Its great and does everything I need, including connecting to databases if I want. Just bought a 2 year licence at a great price, and when the new stuff comes out I'll get extra functionality too. No contest. But if you are a small hobbyist developer, you can get plenty of free development tools. Top mez Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:40 am Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:09 am Posts: 16 Quote:I use the personal edition. Its great and does everything I need, including connecting to databases if I want. Just bought a 2 year licence at a great price, and when the new stuff comes out I'll get extra functionality too. your missing the point Real Studio Personal Edition will cost $400 min when the new pricing structure comes into effect no 2 ways about it Top DaveS Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:49 am Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:46 am Posts: 4412 Location: San Diego, CA Still don't see where you get $400. Do you NEED remote databases? Do you NEED non-gui console applications? I'll bet not... And again.. take advantage of the CURRENT pricing structure while you can..... or don't. It is what it is.... and either you go with it.. or you don't _________________ Dave Sisemore MacPro, OSX Lion 10.7.4 RB2012r1 Note : I am not interested in any solutions that involve custom Plug-ins of any kind Top mez Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:58 am Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:09 am Posts: 16 If I buy a PRO license today how much will it cost me 249,00⬠+ 120,00⬠(optional) CORRECT..? If I don't buy a PRO license today how much will the Equivalent be once the new pricing structure comes into effect $700 + $350 (optional) CORRECT..? SO the cost of the pro edition is going to more than double.. Simple YES or NO answer please.... Top kermit Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:32 pm Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 12:56 am Posts: 590 Quote:your missing the point Real Studio Personal Edition will cost $400 min when the new pricing structure comes into effect no 2 ways about it One of us is. Inside of the 2 year period, Im entitled to upgrades. If I cant compile with my upgrade, I'd be entitled to be a bit annoyed. What do you think I will lose? Why will I need to shell out $400? Top mez Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:58 pm Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:09 am Posts: 16 Oh please spare me the "I am an RB loyalist with a license to thrill" Simple fact is once the new release and pricing structure come into effect anyone purchasing a new license for the equivalent of today's professional edition will have to pay more than double. How do you justify a price increase like that for a product that is unstable, buggy and crashes more frequently that a New York City Cab driver (Just search the forums) Is the Web Edition fit for enterprise? Nope and a long way off Top languer Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:47 pm Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:59 pm Posts: 52 Location: Arizona, USA Why would you keep trying to keep a fight? You come in and ask a question; already expecting and answer. You don't like the answer, so you start berating the people who you asked for candid responses. I don't know how you normally work things over where you leave. But over here that won't get you very far. RB is quite good. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best solution for everything? No. But those who use it seem to like it well enough to stick with it. And if they don't like it guess what; they can go a different direction whenever they feel like it. I will answer your question: Go ahead and spend you hard earn Euros on PureBasic. And then go to their forum when you have a question and see if the people are as candid and forthcoming. If it works for you great, if not then go spend some more Euros on something else. Then add up all the Euros you spend over a few years and play the "what if games" mind games with yourself. _________________ Windows XP SP3 RS 2011r3 /2012r1 Top kermit Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:52 pm Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 12:56 am Posts: 590 Thats got to be the first time anyone has accused me of THAT! Ive been complaining about lack of Cocoa support for the last 5 years. Quote:Purebasic whilst not as polished on the IDE side of things it seems to have things like 64bit Cocoa support, built in controls for treeviews, No external DLLs, Single binaries and all for 79 euro's including life-time updates. Does it build web apps then? Quote:the new pricing structure is NOT hobbyist friendly But you are discussing the Pro edition. Why on earth does a hobbyist (presumably non-profit) need to go to that extent? Quote:Is the Web Edition fit for enterprise? I see. You arent a hobbyist then? Quote: a product that is unstable, buggy and crashes more frequently that a New York City Cab driver Im confused.. does this mean you want Real Studio, or not? Quote:and all for 79 euro's including life-time updates Use PureBasic then. Sounds like a great deal for you if it does all you want. Top eduo Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:16 pm Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:24 pm Posts: 410 Location: Madrid mez wrote::?: IDE is Free (Ok so we have a carrier/shopping bag and no groceries) IDE FREE FREE Desktop Deployment $300 $150 Web Deployment $400 $200 Console Deployment $100 $50 DB Servers $300 $150 So in order for me to publish a desktop server application with a database backend and a console client will cost a total of $800 + a renewal cost of $350 + the cost of plugins to make up for things that RB do not provide. Wow that is not cheap for a small hobbyist/developer when purebasic http://www.purebasic.com/ would be aprrox $100 for database support etc... Web development is for Web applications. It's not for "server" applications. For a client/server you'd use Desktop and, if you wanted and had the inclination, you could theoretically do an RS-based web server with Desktop. You'd pay Web if you also wanted to make an RS-based "web 3.0 application". For database back end an option is to use RealSQL or use non-RS-based DB processing (e.g. using CLI commands). I understand your point, by the way. Just wanted to note that because you're using a DB or you want to do a server/client app it doesn't mean you have to get DB and Web licenses. If you decide the update cost is worth it you may get a license before the switch (which should be cheaper) and update from then on. If cost of license is your primary concern the by all means use PureBasic. There's no discussion here to be had. PureBasic license is so cheap I'd consider getting it even if I had paid for a license for RS, frankly. Even if I didn't ever use it more than once (to create a .DLL/.dylib/.so, for example). If OOP vs. Procedural is a key point in your decision then the decision should also be clear (as RS is OOP and PB is Procedural). As REAL seems to focus more on Mac than Windows for some people, PureBasic seems to focus more on Windows, too. "Seems" being the operative word here, but you might see the argument elsewhere so let's get it out of the way too. If you want people to tell you you'll get an RS license for the cost of a PB license then you can save time and get a PB license already. If you have other priorities than cost (and I don't think it's bad if you don't) then you can expose them and we can give you an opinion based on those. _________________ ---- http://eduo.info/ http://gallery.eduo.info/ http://twitter.com/eduo/ Top ktekinay Post subject: Re: Realbasic and PureBasicPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:22 pm Joined: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:21 pm Posts: 354 Location: New York, NY Every app crashes at one time or another. Most crash so infrequently that I am comfortable using the strictly-not-accurate "never" to describe it. OS X never crashes on me. Safari never crashes on me. Real Studio never crashes on me. This is starting to taste like troll. _________________ Kem Tekinay MacTechnologies Consulting http://www.mactechnologies.com/ Need to develop, test, and refine regular expressions? Try RegExRX. 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