http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipseal
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 10:16 -0800, David Faller wrote: > That's chipseal, alright. Sometimes the gravel is sharp and makes for > a rough, noisy ride. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R Gonet > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:00 AM > Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates > > > > I read a lot of posts referring to "chipseal" and I wonder > what that > is? I may very well be riding on it but have never used that > term. > Around here in Virginia, we have roads that are either > concrete or > smooth rolled asphalt. The next step below that is gravel > with hot, > liquid tar sprayed over it, giving a hard, rough surface. Is > that > what you refer to as chipseal? After that we go to gravel, > then dirt. > > On Jan 18, 11:35 am, charlie <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is a general reply rather than specific to anyone > so........I > > just don't get the 'go fast' concept here. I really can't > see where a > > couple of pounds makes much, if any difference. I mean, any > bike can > > take a narrower tire and you can dispense with the racks and > bags so > > where is the mysterious speed gain of having a short reach > braked bike > > that weighs a couple of pounds less. I have a vintage, > lugged steel, > > 21 pound all Campy race bike with 25mm tires (soon to be > tubulars) and > > it really isn't a whole lot easier to ride than my 30 pound, > racked > > tour bike, if I run 32mm tires on it. At my weight, over the > rough > > chipseal I often ride on the wider tires actually seem to be > faster > > and on asphalt the race bike accelerates faster but that's > about it. > > If i want to go fast on flats and rollers I ride my > recumbent until I > > get to steep hills then.............I lay back and grind up. > Its all > > very subtle when it comes to the differences between one > style of > > steel bike and another and when you consider the trade offs > in utility > > and durability you often find yourself ultimately going back > to what > > works and makes sense. IMHO! Grant is on to something either > way and > > I'm glad he is making available some fine bikes. I'm > continuing to > > save my money. > > > > On Jan 18, 8:07 am, "Bill M." <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Look at the SOMA Speedster. For $800 it's a lugged steel > sport frame > > > and fork built for 57 mm reach brakes, with chromed head > lugs and fork > > > crown, room for 32's, and two sets of rear eyelets. Yes, > the steerer > > > is 1-1/8" threadless, but that's not a deal breaker for > most riders > > > these days. It's even painted dark red as requested here. > The SOMA > > > has angles within 1/2 degree of my '95 Riv Road, and > probably better > > > clearance (the Road used short reach brakes, as did the > '91 RB-1 I > > > owned), and costs $100 less than I paid for my Riv in '95. > > > > > I'd want the Speedster to have an extended head tube and a > little more > > > BB drop, but I could make one work for me. IMO it would be > pretty > > > tough for Riv to compete with the Soma in the RB-1-like > go-fast > > > market. I can't really blame Grant for sticking to turf > where he can > > > offer something more unique. > > > > > This isn't an ad, I've never ridden the SOMA (or even seen > one in > > > person), and my old Riv Road will continue to be my > go-fast bike. I'm > > > just saying... > > > > > Bill > > > > > On Jan 17, 2:28 pm, Aaron Thomas > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I fully concur with Patrick and James. I've recently > come into > > > > possession of an old RB-2 (a hand-me-down from a > generous friend). By > > > > Rivendell's high standards, the lugwork is kind of cheap > in > > > > comparison. But, man, does that bike smoke! > > > > > > As the proud owner of a Romulus, my allegiance has been > slowly > > > > shifting to the RB-2. It is quick, responsive, and > simply flies up > > > > hills in ways that make the Romulus feel tired and > plodding. I don't > > > > know what to chalk it up to (non-OS tubing, different > geometry, > > > > lighter weight, who knows?), but it sure makes me wish > that Rivendell > > > > could bring back something like the RB-1 (or -2) for > unloaded, fast, > > > > road-specific riding. > > > > > > Produced in Taiwan at Bleriot-ish prices with a simple, > one-color > > > > paint job (maybe the old, deep RB-1 or Legolas red), and > designed > > > > around, say, a 25mm Pro Race tire -- I bet it would sell > like > > > > hotcakes. > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > On Jan 17, 1:23 pm, James Warren > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Patrick, I agree. I think the Rivendell offerings are > amazing, but nothing is perfect. If it were possible, I would > love if Rivendell added just one more bike to their line-up, > basically one like the Heron road, with that sport geometry > you mention, and nice understated looks and a resonably low > cost. Lugged, maybe Taiwan, single-color and Heron road type > geometry. But still with mini-rack braze-ons! > > > > > > > -Jim-----Original Message----- > > > > > From: PATRICK MOORE > > > > > Sent: Jan 17, 2009 1:07 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some > updates > > > > > With the not-so-recent proliferation of high bars, > retentionless pedals, fat tires, load capacity, and so on, > does Riv have any model that in basic theme if not details > corresponds to the RB-1, that is, a decently priced, > unpretentious, well performing sport bike? My last Riv was '03 > and it as well as the other two were very much in the category > of "fast sport bike meant for riding very much exclusively on > pavement". I'm not particularly fast, but that's the kind of > bike I want for much of my riding. If I want to ride off road, > I'll use another bike.On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM, James > > Warren<[email protected]>wrote:http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=none > > > > > Note the Quickbeam and the new Which Bike For What > Chart. I like it. > > > > > Atlantis/Ram/Rom/Redwood: that's so 2003. Things > change - embrace it. > > > > > Now it's Atlantis/Homer/Sam/Bombadil/Betty/QB > > > > > The new regime has more versatility than the old. And > with Homer taking Ram's duties, I think things have evolved > quite nicely. > > > > > I wonder if outsiders who just think Rivedell is "old > school" can recognize even one bit of the evolution. Fun > stuff. > > > > > > -Jim> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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