If you do decide to experiment with a single speed on the trek, you might want to start with a single speed, instead of a fixed gear. I found that it the downside of the hills that were killers. You either brake and go slow or you spin like a mad man. Jim D. Massachusetts
--- On Sun, 5/10/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [RBW] Re: Who says Rivendells have to be heavy? To: "RBW Owners Bunch" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:36 AM I love my Rambouillet, and I've never been unhappy with it because of its weight, but it is hardly a lightweight at 24-1/2 pounds for the bike itself (i.e., the basic bike with no add-ons like water bottles, luggage, fenders etc.) Similarly equipped, my Gunnar Sport with S&S couplers weighs about 100 grams less, despite the extra weight of the couplers. So it's clear that it is using lighter-weight steel. Similarly equipped, my 1984 Trek 400 with Tange Mangalloy 2001 weighs 25.1 pounds--even for it's time, it was a third-rate steel frame, so it's not surprising it weighs a little more. So, what you're really saying is that if you equip a decently made steel frame with really lightweight (or nonexistent, in the case of a fixie) parts, then it will be a lighter bike. Nothing particularly Rivish about that statement, though :-) That's something I keep wanting to try with the Trek 400, but I've been reluctant to fixify it because of all the hills on the way home. Maybe I should take the leap, since someone gave me a fixie rear wheel. I think all I need is a chain that's the right length, and a couple of cogs for the back. For now, I think I can just leave the rear derailleur on the bike (not putting the chain through it) but probably have to remove the front derailleur to keep it out of the chainline. Nick On May 9, 2:55 pm, PATRICK MOORE <[email protected]> wrote: > If you ride a 65, then 32 lb for you is like, what, 25 lb for me? (I'm > guessing: 205 lb versus 170; divide that into this and multiply the result > by 32 and fudge a bit ...). My Motobecane probably weighs unladen a good 25 > - 26 lb; add kit and add weight accordingly. (And strange, I am sure that > the frameset is considerably lighter than either Riv). It's fun to ride, > too, but the Riv at some 5 lb lighter, and especially with its much lighter > wheels, just feels faster and funner. (And, judging by non-precise > measurements on the speedo, it is a mile or so per hour faster.) > > I love the Rivs first for their fit and handling: fit: butt back (use rubber > mallet to get Flite as far back on the DA seatpost as possible), KWBPS > ("knee well behind pedal spindle"), seated for a high torque, comfortable > pedalling style and back cantilevered over bars so that, even with bars 2" > below saddle, I almost automatically choose the hooks when there is the > slightest wind; handling: unerringly stable in a straight line, but think of > a turn and the bike "intuits" your intention and does it without any > hesitation or twitchiness; even with a rear load. Anyway, I love the Rivs > for their fit and handling, but I must say that their light weight adds > something to the pleasure of riding them. > > Now, if someone would only make a light, supple, round, 28 mm tire in the > 559 size ... > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jim Cloud <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I don't generally worry much about my bike's weight, but I don't think > > my Riv (an original 65 cm Rivendell Road Standard purchased in 1996) > > is very light. The lightest bike I've owned (sold it last year) was a > > 64 cm Waterford W-13 built up with all Campy Super Record components. > > The W-13 weighed around 22 lbs. dry weight. > > > With the build-up on my Riv (Honjo fenders, Nitto "Mark's Rack" in > > front, a Nitto Campee Model rear rack like the one sold by VO - sans > > low-rider mounts, Carradice Pendle saddlebag with tools etc., steel > > water bottle cages, Brooks B.17 saddle, Silca frame pump and a Vista > > flashing light on the Mark's rack) weighs approximately 32 lbs. (crude > > measurement, standing on a bathroom scale and substracting my > > weight). This weight compares fairly closely to the staff bike shown > > on rivbike.com for Grant Peterson's personal bike (A Homer Hilsen) > > which he states at 30+ lbs. with full bags. I think Grant rides a > > frame size of 56-58 cm, so the size of my Riv would be an additional > > factor in its weight. > > > On the other hand, the Riv is very comfortable and enjoyable bike to > > ride so I'm happy! > > > Jim > > > On May 8, 3:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just weighedem, as I was cleaning them (for a change -- I *do* keep the > > > drivetrain and moving parts clean and lubed). Gofast, with single VO > > retro > > > cage, Topeak Road Morph pump, Avocet 35, Honka Hoota (complementary > > color), > > > and Country with 2 tubes and small repair kit: 21 lb 4 oz. I would guess > > > that minus the bag it would weigh 18 lb plus change -- the bare bag > > weighs 2 > > > 1/2 lb -- this with pump and cage and bar acoutrements. Weighed as the > > bike > > > mags do, minus the other kit and minus the clips 'n' straps, prolly under > > > 17. (Note: fixed gear, with light 571 wheels and 23 mm tires.) > > > > Commuter, with Catey, Honka, 2 VO cages, Honjos, Topeak, small seatbag > > with > > > similar kit, rear PB blinkey, B&M rack light, Fly, and one small and > > > cheapish Delta pannier that carries aobut as much as the Country: 23 lb. > > > (Also fixed, with light 559 wheels and 22 mm tires; yes, I'd prefer 28s, > > but > > > until someone makes a 28 as supple and nice riding as a 26X1" Turbo, I'll > > > stick with the Turbo.) > > > > (And the Commuter does its work: I just carried home 29 lb of groceries > > on > > > it.) > > > > FWIW, the Honka Hoota is the best "get the hell out of my way, I'm coming > > > through" bike device I've come across: many colors, some nice, some > > silly, > > > and loud, and aerodynamic! > > > > -- > > > Patrick Moore > > > Albuquerque, NM > > > Professional Resumes. Contact [email protected] > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > Professional Resumes. 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