Thanks to all for the information. I have been "planning" to get the CD's since they became available. Each time I place an order I think - oooh, 40 more bucks, maybe not this time. If I had really planned I could have added one to every other order and had them all a long time ago. Thanks again, David
On Jul 11, 6:55 pm, Doug Van Cleve <[email protected]> wrote: > Forgot to mention it, but I'm pretty sure you could get things tweaked even > in the early Waterford days. I am pretty sure I have heard of a Waterford > Riv with polished stainless dropouts, for instance. I am not sure if that > extended to custom tubing choices or geometry though... > > Doug > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Doug Van Cleve <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Answers inserted to the best of my knowledge... > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:07 AM, [email protected] < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> With all the interest generated by the anticipated, new club-rider > >> road bike, thought it might be an appropriate time to bring up the > >> history of pre-Ram Rivendell road bikes. The only mention of these on > >> the cyclofiend site is in the list of models and there seems to be a > >> dearth of specific information on these bikes on the web in general. > >> Some specifics of interest to me: > >> Were the Heron Road and Rivendell Road Standard available at the same > >> time or did one succeed the other? > > > Waterford built Road Standard and All Rounder were first, maybe then the > > Long Low, then came the Heron road and touring models. > > > Did they have the same lugs, geometry, tubing? > > > Nope, Heron lugs were simpler and unique. Rivs were custom drawn Reynolds > > 753, Herons were 531 and had round fork blades (as did at least some Long > > Lows). Heron geometry was very similar, but had fewer sizes (maybe even cms > > vs. every cm.). > > > Is there a reliable way to differentiate a semi- custom Road from a Road > >> Standard? > > > The earlier, stock Road Stds. were all that custom 753 and had a special > > French style but in English tubing decal. The semi-customs have a mix of > > tubes and no tubing decal at all. > > > What features could be changed on a custom - tubing, braze-ons, brakes, > >> geometry? > > > On the semi-customs (like my Joe Starck built '99 Road Std.) the tubing was > > picked for you, you could pick from a variety of braze-ons but the geometry > > was stock. A "full custom" meant tweaked for you, but Grant still picked > > the geometry and it probably didn't deviate much from the standard. Long > > Lows usually (always?) had cantis, because the standard reach brakes were > > all old stock at the time. Semi-customs and customs have a serial number > > that indicates the builder and year. > > > Were all match-built Rivendell Roads Standards? > > > No, match built All Rounders for sure, not certain about the Long Low. It > > was pretty much absorbed as the normal RBW BB height was lowered to 8cm drop > > like the LL. Match was added because Joe couldn't keep up with demand. For > > a time, all semi-customs and customs were JS and stock builds were match. I > > don't think match ever did any non-stock building. Curt Goodrich was > > brought in to supplement Joe and eventually became the sole Riv builder when > > match failed. > > > Are geometry charts available for these > >> bikes - in Readers or catalogs? How will the new road bike compare to > >> these? From reading about the Ram, the major changes made from the > >> Roads were long reach brakes, wider fork crown, longer chain-stays, > >> double taper seat stays. Did trail and bb drop remain about the > >> same? Sounds like the new bike will have some features of both, but > >> lighter tubing than either. > >> David --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
