I certainly didn't mean to imply Honjos couldn't survive rough roads. 
Clearly 2005-20013 on Vt roads is a very good run for fenders.  But for 
constant banging, steel will outlast Al..

M

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:17:01 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 07/26/2014 03:16 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: 
> > Bo, here's another data point.  I rode my Rambouillet with Honjo 
> > hammered fenders from the Fall of '05 till mid summer of '13 when the 
> > rear fender broke at the seat stay bridge.  They never rattled until 
> > just before the break - or maybe actually between the crack and the 
> > break.  They were installed by a very good and experienced mechanic. 
> > 
> > I live on a dirt road in a state with notoriously bad roads so the Ram 
> > saw its share of rough surfaces.  In contrast I installed Honjo 
> > fenders on an Ebisu, which I used as a commuter on 30 miles of mostly 
> > rough surface every day and broke 2 fender in 4 years.  After that I 
> > went back to the original mechanic; installed Bertoud steel fenders, 
> > and never had a problem again.  Proper installation is critical (and 
> > not beyond us DIY folks) but  if you are doing a lot of rough riding 
> > and not concerned about the extra weight, steel is the way to go. 
>
> A man may be a highly skilled and experienced mechanic, but installing 
> Honjo fenders is a specialized skill with a few gotchas. Did he have 
> experience and skill at installing Honjo fenders?  Were they installed 
> with leather washers at the contact points with the bicycle?  I'm not 
> saying you shouldn't use Berthoud steel fenders, but I am not convinced 
> Honjos can't survive on rough surfaces. 
>
>
> > 
> > My wife broke an SKS plastic fender when a pine cone kicked up between 
> > the rear tire and fender.  That installation required a wide gap at 
> > the chain stay because her '84 Sequoia has vertical drop outs.  I 
> > think the break away feature of plastic fenders is crucial in that 
> > kind of application, 
>
> SKS breakaway stays are in front only, not in back. 
>
> > but with a properly installed metal fender on vertical drop outs there 
> > should be no more than 10 or 15 mm between the tire and fender, which 
> > offers little space for sticks or pine cones. 
> > 
> > 
>
>

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