The Thunder Burt looks like a very nice off road tire -- Schwalbe claims 575 grams for the 2.25 29er size. I may have to try that one when my Furious Freds wear out -- the bigger knobs and greater width would be welcome in sand and for washboard. $92 each! But a close to perfect tire is worth the money, IMO.
The Furious Freds, OTOH, roll quite fast on pavement despite the vestigial knobs and are proving surprisingly durable for the minimalist tread. On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb "so", in ABQ, NM" > > You salty dog! > > On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:13:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Can the Sam Hill take a 50 mm tire? Mine was (IIRC) a 2010 model, and I >> doubt it would fit a tire so wide. >> >> *IF* it takes such a width, my own, personal choice would be the Sam >> Hill. Though I disliked aspects of mine (sold it before I'd owned it 12 >> months because it was doggy-ish as a road bike), I think I'd keep one that >> could take 55 mm tires; indeed, I think I'd sell my Fargo to purchase a Sam >> Hill with 55 mm tires, even if the clearances around those 55s were >> minimal. An off road Sam Hill would be wonderful. >> >> As for "moderately aggressive" tires in the 50 mm or so width: The >> Furious Fred is wonderfully light (*360 grams on a Pelouze mail scale >> for the 622X50*) and has enough tread to make a slight difference >> compared to slicks on loose dirt. But it has absolutely no resistance to >> thorns. I rectify this with Stan's, in a tubeless setup, and the >> combination is wonderful in goathead land. The Big Apple is much heavier, >> but a nice rolling tire withal considering (a) its bulk and (b) the >> effective puncture belt; and it withstands goatheads wonderfully* without >> recourse to sealant. (Caveat: I've used 559 and 622 60 mm Big Apples in the >> garden variety wire bead model and in the "Liteskin" model, no longer made.) >> >> * "Withstands", vi, to wit: it won't keep a goathead thorn from >> penetrating after several pavement rotations; but I've rolled out from dirt >> excursions with literally scores of goatheads stuck to the tread, flicked >> them off, and ridden home without any air loss. IOW, the thorn has to work >> hard to get through the BA's puncture belt. *And*, the tire rolls >> surprisingly well compared to other belted tires, which are pure shite in >> that regard. >> >> Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb "so", in ABQ, NM >> >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike S <mikesh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was >>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the >>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for >>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels >>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of >>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, >>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded >>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels >>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light >>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually >>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of >>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore >>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). >>> >>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a >>> second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to >>> maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about >>> Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the >>> "Porsche 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that >>> plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind >>> of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be >>> perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. >> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. >> Other professional writing services. >> http://www.resumespecialties.com/ >> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten >> >> ************************************* >> *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore >> himself. 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