I find that my Atlantii handle beautifully with a front and rear
touring load with more weight on the back. In fact, they handle
beautifully under almost any load. But I have noticed the front wheel
wander with my Krampus, when I'm climbing hills that are close to my
limit, when the bike is unloaded. The problem gets considerably less
bad if I move the saddle forward and if I lean forward when climbing.
It's annoying, though, because none of my Rivendells ever exhibit the
problem.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to hear more about this too -- that is, to be clear, about the
> tendency of bikes to wander badly when climbing. I found the Sam Hillborne
> in particular to be very liable to this with a rear load, even compared to
> the 4 other Rivs I've owned. I'm very surprised at the number of Rivendell
> models pictured with huge baskets on the front. Does the front weight
> actually help the wandering? If I had put weight on the Sam Hill in front
> low riders, would things have been better? (I thought of doing this only
> after I sold the bike.)
>
> I've carried up to ~5 lb on my errand custom on a TA rack in front, and
> handling has been OK but I could feel it trying to take control of the front
> end. But that weight sat above the front fender.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Dave C <david.charles.carr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Well, to be clear I don't have any weight on the rack right now. What I am
>> referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel
>> wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering
>> corrections to counter this. While I have zero experiences with bikes with
>> low trail front end geometry, I have read people stating that one advantage
>> of such frames is that they require less effort to remain straight while
>> climbing (especially while tired). Given that I live in the mountains, every
>> ride involves multiple climbs and I have been thinking about it lately.
>> This article calls it weaving as a result of high wheel flop.
>>
>> http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf
>>
>> So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack would
>> affect this tendency or be unnoticed.
>>
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