That's probably a good idea, Aaron.

Personally, I have a pair of Vaude panniers that I'm very happy with.  They
use Ortlieb's very easy and secure hooks, and have a plastic back so they
stay in shape and out of your spokes.  They attach easily to my rear racks
(Nitto R20 and Tubus Logo Evo), but I need to change the upper clip
adapters if I swap a pannier between the racks.

For the Campee front, I would love a bag shaped like the Ostrich DLX
panniers
<http://www.alexscycle.com/campee-1/bags/ostrich-dlx-side-bag.html?currency=USD>
but with Ortlieb hardware.  The Gilles Berthoud 372
<http://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-panniers-gb372/?page_context=category&faceted_search=0>
looks great, but they're three times the price of the Ostrich panniers (and
quite possibly three times as nice).

You could also make your own out of military surplus messenger bags;
they're the right shape.  But, by the time you source the hardware and bags
you're more than halfway to the price of the Ostrich panniers.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tim,
>
> That's some more good info.  Suddenly I feel like I need to do some more
> research before buying a rack for the front.  Maybe I'll decide which
> panniers first and then get a rack that suits/supports them well.
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Tim Gavin <
> tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com> wrote:
>
>> There are three versions, actually.
>>
>> 27F is the "700c" model.  It has a small platform, and the mounting
>> struts at the bottom are angled.  27R is the matching rear.
>> F20 is the "26/Mt. Campee" model.  It has a large platform (at least 30%
>> larger than the classic), and the mounting struts at the bottom are
>> angled.  The R20 is the matching rear partner, but it has no lowriders.
>> It's closer in design to the Riv 32R.
>> ??? is the "650b" model, sometimes listed as a 26" model.  It has a small
>> platform and the mounting struts at the bottom are straight.  There is a
>> matching rear, also called "650b".
>>
>> The angled struts may reach to the rear eyelet on a fork, but the
>> straight struts are meant for front eyelets only.
>>
>> I mounted the "650b" model with straight struts on my girlfriend's San
>> Marcos, and I had success in using the Tubus p-clamps (2-bolt) for the
>> lower mount, and the Tubus fork clamps for the upper mount.
>>
>> The "700c" 27F may ride quite high above the tire on a 700c Atlantis.
>> You may be able to lower it by mounting it to the rear eyelets.  (in that
>> case, you may want to use spacers so the rack legs don't hit the fork ends)
>>
>> But it will fit..
>>
>> Be aware that the lowrider frames are shorter and wider than most modern
>> panniers.  The top rail of the lowrider frame is lower than the top rail on
>> the Blackburn/Tubus style lowrider racks, so a modern pannier may hang low
>> off the bottom of the lowrider frame.  (On my gf's SM, I mounted
>> small/medium Mountainsmith panniers, and the bottoms dangle a couple inches
>> past the lowrider frame).
>>
>> I recently picked up a F20 Mt. Campee off the list, and am tempted to buy
>> the Ostrich DLX panniers that are designed for these racks.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Philip Kim <philipw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Aaron, I believe the 700c will be too far out and too high to
>>> provide stability.
>>>
>>> I've used the Velo Orange Campeur front rack. It is long enough that you
>>> can mount it to your lower fork eyelet for 26" or so, or upper fork dropout
>>> eyelet for 700 wheels. You can also cut the tange to fit. The only
>>> different is that you can't remove the pannier supports, but it is lighter
>>> than the Nito Campee, and sits closer to the handlebars and wheel than the
>>> Campee. It's cheaper as well. Also comes with removeable decaleur for rando
>>> bags. I think it's a bit more versatile imo.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 12:49:57 PM UTC-4, A. L Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey gang,
>>>>
>>>> This is probably a bit of an obscure question.  I'm considering a Nitto
>>>> Campee Front rack for my 56cm Atlantis with 26" wheels.  Apparently the
>>>> Nitto Campee Front comes in two sizes for 26" or 700c wheeled bikes.  For
>>>> me there is significant cost difference between the two models.  So this is
>>>> a matter or dollars/cents.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the question: has anyone successfully installed a 700c version
>>>> of the Nitto Campee Front on a 56cm Atlantis??  Experiences?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Aaron "Dollars and Cents" Young
>>>> The Dalles, OR
>>>>
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