Alan:

BQ had a "all things brake" issue a few years ago.  After reading that, I 
replaced the very nice looking but only marginally effective narrow profile 
stock brakes on my Atlantis with the Tektro 720s.  While better, they were 
still unimpressive, especially with a touring load.  I fiddled with 
straddle cable length, etc.  When I went to V-brakes (simple, $30 Shimano 
generic units) brake power and modulation improved remarkably.  

dougP

On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 4:02:04 AM UTC-7, Alan Pickett wrote:

> So, before I ponied up for my Hillborne, I purchased a Surly Cross Check 
> about four years ago and completely "Rivendellized" it, with what at the 
> time amounted to a Riv Build Kit: Albatross bars, Sugino triple, bar-end 
> silver shifters, Tektro CR720 wide profile cantis and the Tektro Eclipse 
> linear pull levers. I never thought much about it, and the brakes have 
> performed over time, and the whole bike treated me well, even during the 
> Ragbrai of 2012, with over 100 degree temperatures most days.
>
> Now that I have my side pull hillborne with the lovely bigmouth side pulls 
> and the tektro mountain levers, I find that I really love the smooth, 
> almost buttery action of the levers and the lack of white knuckling 
> required to get modulation out of the brakes, and have started fiddling 
> with my old setup on the Surly. I've lowered the CR720's straddle wire 
> hanger as low as it will go, and have double checked to make sure that the 
> setting on the Eclipse levers is set for "non-linear pull" brakes (y'all 
> might remember that it had two settings for the cable nipple, depending on 
> the brakes used), but still have a sense of having to really clench the 
> levers to white-knuckle levels to bring the bike to rest. It's not that 
> they've ever failed, and I certainly become used to this set-up whenever I 
> return to the Surly, but do find that I like the action of the side pulls 
> and Mountain levers a lot more - it's like having power brakes vs 
> floor-stompers!
>
> So, is this simply a matter of mechanical advantage, and have I likely 
> exhausted my ability to get as much MA out of the cantis and levers, or is 
> there anything I can do to get more leverage? I remember in the description 
> of the CR720s they are described as having a "positiveness and crispness", 
> and maybe that is another way of saying less mechanical advantage, and 
> that's just how wide profile canto's behave? I did wonder if I could 
> replace the levers, since it appears that the Eclipse levers were actually 
> designed for linear pull brakes and maybe a poor choice?
>
> Lastly, bear with me. If there is an exhaustive post buried in the ROB, 
> feel free to point me in the direction. I also realize I may be confusing 
> some terminology above and using language imprecisely. I definitely don't 
> know my applied physics!
>
> Hope all are well this morning,
> Alan
>

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