Rat traps are not yet available.  Check with Compass for info. I really 
don't know whether they will fit with fenders nor do I know if 60mm 
Berthouds will fit.  I would siggest contacting elephant.  The photo does 
suggest lots and lots of clearance. 

It would make a great commuter, I'm sure  

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 2:47:14 AM UTC-4, Carl Otto Wollin wrote:
>
> Sounds Good 
>
> Are the Rat Traps available?
>
> Thanks for the pics looks like good clearence in the rear 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/19620023613/in/album-72157656605491545/
>
> Is it enough to use the Rat Traps with a pair of fenders, is it possible 
> to fit a pair of 60 mm Berthoud on the NFE. 
>
> It looks like a very nice rig to use as a commuter.
>
> Carl W
>  
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:21:10 -0700
> From: mikey...@rocketmail.com <javascript:>
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer
>
> John, one of the guys behind the stock NFE's is running the Rat Trap pass 
> tires on his NFE.  Looks like they fit just fine and are the same diameter 
> as a 650B x 42 mm wheel.
>
> ~mike
>
> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 2:49:39 PM UTC-7, Christian wrote:
>
> Carl,
>
> I cannot see why not. The disc brakes  would allow for 26" wheels I 
> imagine. In fact, I might have read somewhere on the Internet of someone 
> riding a prototype of those tires on the NFE--but it could have been the 
> also forthcoming 650x48 Compass tires. I'm eager to get the Rat Traps on my 
> LHT. 
>
> The Cowbells and Cowchippers are more similar than either are to the 
> Woodchippers. 
>
> Riv content: I bought by Cambium from Riv. 
>
> Christian 
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> From my phone. Apologies for typos and brevity. 
>
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:26 AM, Carl Otto Wollin <carlott...@hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Christian 
>
> Looking good. 
>
> Is it possible to use this frame with 26 inch wheels, with the coming Rat 
> Trap Pass tires 
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/04/04/the-enduro-allroad-bike/
>
> and you have better availability of studded winter tires. 
>
> As a commuter and a compliment to my low trail Randonneur bikes. 
>
> Regards
>
> Carl Otto Wollin 
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:38:47 -0700
> From: christian....@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> CC: christian....@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week.  It's been great so 
> far!
>
> Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545
>
> WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP dynohub/Hope 
> Evo Pro 2/VO Noir 650B fenders (only front installed; got lazy)
> DRIVETRAIN: White Industries VBC crank 42x26/11-36 XT casssette/XT rd and 
> CX 70 fd
> RACK etc: Haulin Colin for NFE/VO decaleur/Berthoud GB28. I used a 
> Berthoud decaleur for 5 years on my Terraferma and thought it was great. 
> But I decided to try the much cheaper VO decaleur.  It's easy to set up (so 
> is the Berthoud) and works well.  
> Eriksen Ti Sweetpost/Brooks C17 
> COCKPIT: started with VO rando bars I had around--too much reach to the 
> breakes, for me; now 46cm Salsa Cowchippers on a Salsa 25 degree/8cm Guide 
> Stem--so far awesome.
>
> Did I miss anything? 
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Christian in Charlottesville 
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 4:12:18 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
>
> Let's see if I can link the NFE, the Jones, and Rivendell sufficiently to 
> make this on topic. I sold my Hunqapillar to fund my Jones. I really liked 
> the Hunq, but I love the Jones. Very different bikes so not really fair to 
> compare, but for my purposes the Jones is the better option. I use it 
> mostly for singletrack and have put in up to 9 hour trail rides on it. It's 
> an exceptional bike. But it's not the same thing as the NFE (not that Mike 
> was saying this explicitly) so I don't think I'd choose one or the other 
> for similar purposes.   
>
> So, I will have both. 
>
> I really loved my Terraferma, but always felt the fit was slightly off. 
> I'd become a convert to 650B, however, and so when I learned of the NFE I 
> made plans to sell my Terraferma. The disc brakes were a major selling 
> point for me. After getting back into mountain biking a couple of summers 
> ago (to which I credit the Hunq) and trying discs I was blown away. I know 
> there's been lots of discussion here about the merits of cantis but FOR ME 
> there's no contest. BB7s are incredibly simple to set up and are far 
> superior--IN MY EXPERIENCE--to the Paul Toring cantis I had on the 
> Terreferma (to be honest, the 15 year old $10 Deore V brakes on my LHT are 
> better than the Pauls--heresy, perhaps). I know some will disagree and 
> that's fine. 
>
> I'll use the NFE (should be here in a few weeks) in the same way I used 
> the Terraferma: for mixed terrain road riding as well as paved only rides. 
> And if I return to randonneuring I'll use it for that too. For me, the 
> Jones is best left as a mountain bike. But it for sure could be set as a 
> capable all arounder with different wheels. For now it's set up as a fat 
> front. 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/16710535399/in/dateposted-public/
>   
>
> One thing that's neat about the Jones is that it takes a little wind out 
> of the sails of those--like me, for a time--committed to thinking fit was 
> some sort of magic. After all, they only come in one size! Just tweak here 
> and there, listen to Jeff's advice, and you're all set. He asked me how 
> tall I am, whether or I wanted to sit up a bit or be in a more agressive 
> position. He then told me what stem he thought I should get. That was it. 
> Bike fits fantastically.
>
> Anyway, hope all the Riv folks don't mind the digression!
>
> Christian 
>
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