The slack seat tube works together with the slack headtube which you can 
definitely feel! 



On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 5:32:11 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> A relaxed rear geometry seems 1 major feature of all Rivendells (except 
> the Roadeo), i.e s*lacker Seat Tube Angles (STA)are used compared to 
> other frames*, whether large or small builder.  The STA angles of the 
> small to medium frames vary from 71.5 deg (Sam, Joe A, San Macro) to 72.5 
> deg (AHH, Atlantis, Ram) which are less than:
>
>    - Small 27"/700C frames which typically have steeper STA, 73 to 74 
>    deg, to avoid toe clip overlap.  The exception being a long top tube, 
>    requiring shorter stems to maintain reach within limits
>    - Larger frames even are less than 73 deg, a typical British STA.  
>
> The slacker STA puts you further back, 6 to 18mm, depending on the STA 
> compared to 73deg STA.  
>
> My questions to the group
>  
> 1.  Is the relaxed rear geometry something you can feel when compared to 
> other frames??
>
> 2.  Do you see it as a positive??  
>
> The relaxed rear seems to go together with the higher head tube, bars up 
> to saddle height and further back, which also seem to differentiate 
> Rivendell, assuming lugs & great paint jobs don't affect the ride.  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
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