my experience is limited to a vintage nitto set. i think the effective 
reach is 130mm on mine. (available for sale). they look badass, but i did 
not like them for a few reasons. I think those reasons are sort of 
amended/fixed in the newer rivendell offering.  the older ones are, more or 
less, flat/straight bars. there is very little sweep to them. also, the 
quill length doesnt allow them to be raised very much, so i ended up being 
in a pretty aggressive position on a flat bar with one hand position. i 
also felt like they put my body in a position where my legs had to work 
harder. i can see how they would be good for mtb stuff where you need to be 
able to really manhandle the front end. i dont have much call for that type 
of riding, so i disliked them so much that i doubt ill even try the updated 
riv bullmoose. its just not a shape that i see working for me on really 
long or super casual rides, which is mostly what i end up doing. 

this is the progression that my 84 trek mtb went through. 
-albatross, 120cm stem- too uprighty and hand painy over long periods
-map/ahearne- 120cm stem- good mix of upright vs forward leaning. wide 
enough for control and hand movement. 
-vintage bullmoose
-return to map/ahearne happiness. 

like patrick, on my hunq i have albastache bars with a short stem and am 
coming to the realization that these are probably the best bars for me. 

i bought the choco bars to try out (since sold them), and i wouldnt compare 
them to the albastache. if anything, they feel like a flat bosco or an 
albatross that comes back even further, but gives you a slightly more 
comfortable forward position than albatross since there is minimal rise. 
with a 13cm (the longest) tallux, the choco bars retreated toward the 
saddle at least 9-10cm more than the albastache on a stem with a 6cm (the 
shortest) effective reach. 




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