It costs far less in time, and hardly more in money, with Orange seal, but the real benefit is being able to ride paper thin, very nicely riding tires basically anywhere I want -- I don't have to use, say, belted Big Apples in dirt or belted Kojaks on road -- *and* to spend almost no time worrying about punctures, and far, far less time in fixing those that occur.
The F Freds (again: Imagine a 700C X 50 mm tire that weighs *360 grams!* -- consistently, on a mail scale -- on our local dirt) often show wet spots where the sealant is doing its thing, and I have to pump them up, particularly the front, slightly more often as they will lose a few pounds over the course of, say, 20 miles of goathead infested dirt. Much less frequently, I get a faster leak and hear the "psst!-psst!-psst!" as the tire revolves, but most of these are sealed within a few revolutions, and the very rare one that is not is 99/100 times taken care of by getting off, pumping the tire, and spinning it rapidly. I do have to add new sealant every 3-4 months, but that takes 5 minutes. Note that this interval is for paper thin tires with no tubes. Orange Seal lasts far far longer in the tubes I run with Elk Passes or, in the past, Parigi Roubaix. None of these 3 tires would be remotely possible here without sealant; the first week I rode the P-Rs, I patched literally 25-30 holes between both tires, most of them in the front -- and this solely on pavement. *And*, gravy on the steak, ice cream on the pie, frosting on the cake, gilding on the lily, kiss with a cuddle, I can run them without tubes for even more superlative qualities in ride and feel. (Remember, belted Kojaks felt almost as nice as the far more fragile and expensive Elk Passes, when the K's were tubeless while the EPs must use tubes. I daresay there is a similar gain with the FFs.) Now, were I running tubed Kojaks again on the '03, or tubed Pro Races on the '99, I would not bother with sealant, as these are sturdy enough (well, the 23 mm Michelins may be quite light; perhaps their narrowness avoids thorns?) to avoid more than, say, 4-5 flats a week, per bike, on pavement. (And the Kojaks actually roll well for what they are.) But to get far better tires, less work, far less worry, hugely greater choice of surfaces, and negligible marginal cost, seems a choice that pretty much forces itself on one. On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Garth <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay Patrick , what does all that "cost" you, not just in money > but in *total time involved in every aspect of it *? I'm not asking > for self justifications as to why, just a good estimate of time spent in > installing and maintaining them . > > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 2:56:25 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Oh, Steven, open your heart to the light and accept Orange Seal. >> >> Bless you, my son. >> >> Over and out. >> >> Patrick Moore, playing the fool but quite serious about Orange Seal in >> ABQ, NM -- where he carries *no, not any* patches anymore because of the >> efulgent wonderousness of Orange Seal. >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ************************************************************************** ************** *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
