Thanks for the warning on the 33R.  As for the R14, I wasn't sure if I
would ever want to use panniers and thought, maybe, the rack should have
rails to allow for that.  As you mention, the 27R wouldn't work for me
without the rear light mount.

Thanks.

Tim


On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:28 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Beware of the Nitto 33R; for 700c it is quite upright and sits quite far
> behind the saddle. I sold mine because I didn't like how it fit on my
> Atlantis. If RBW can ensure the braze-ons on the seat stays are placed
> higher like they do on the Hunqapillar, then the 650b (smaller) version
> will fit much better and be much closer to the saddle. How come you're no
> longer considering the R14? It's probably the best for saddlebags (but not
> panniers).
>
> I now have the Nitto Campee 27R on my Atlantis and that's the one I'm
> keeping. Can add the low riders if I ever want to carry panniers, it's
> small and beautiful and perfect for a saddlebag support but it doesn't have
> the mount for a rear light on it. It's the one I like the most though.
>
> René
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, Tim Butterfield <timbutterfi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> René,
>>
>> Thanks for the thoughts.  It's helpful.  I suspect I will require a rack
>> in order to best use the Garmin Varia rearview radar.  Attempting to clip
>> it to the loop on a smaller saddlebag may not ensure the optimal angle for
>> the radar beam.  So, I am planning on a rear rack for that.  In the running
>> at the moment are the Pletscher Clem, Tubus Cosmo, and the Nitto 33R.  The
>> Pletscher is neat as the pannier rails are removable, but the others look a
>> bit better.
>>
>> For whatever bag I put above the rack, I need it to be easily removable
>> so I can bring that inside while the bike stays outside, either at home or
>> at a store.  To do that, I would prefer not to mess with straps through the
>> saddle holes or around the seat post.  Having something like the Carradice
>> SQR system or similar quick release may work for a saddlebag.  It might
>> even work for a SaddleSack medium (or similar) as it could also rest on the
>> rack.  It wouldn't have to support the full weight, though it supposed to
>> support up to 22 pounds.
>>
>> Maybe I will need two bags.  I could get something like the Acorn Large
>> you mentioned or the Medium that Brian linked to (Thanks, Brian) and, maybe
>> later, add the SaddleSack.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:19 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahhh, the bags... I have tested (and still haven't sold) so many bags...
>>>
>>> Here are my thoughts for you to consider,
>>> - Smaller loads like a jacket, tools, U-Lock, some LCHF food -> Acorn
>>> Large Saddlebag (which is small by RBW standards. I love it for day use and
>>> actually when it's warm, it mostly goes quite empty. I like the style and
>>> build very much, but it's hard to get as the production is small and not
>>> constant.
>>> - If you want a similar small load but also want to carry your iPad or
>>> 11" laptop, then the Small Saddlesack is quite nice. Too small for a 13"
>>> laptop.
>>> - Larger loads but don't necessarily need rear rack support -> Any of
>>> the Carradice saddlebags. I have two, one larger than the other that I've
>>> hardly used, but I really like them. Always used them supported by a rear
>>> rack though. Not practical if you want to carry a 13" or larger laptop.
>>> - Rack support required: The most versatile is probably the Sackville
>>> Medium Saddlesack. 13" laptop with protective thick sleeve fits perfectly,
>>> as well as extra clothes and whatever else you may want for a day. I've
>>> used the Large one on the two S24Os I've done, and like it a lot but IMO
>>> it's just massive for day to day use unless you are always going shopping
>>> on the bike.
>>>
>>> Note that depending on the rear rack you use, including the marvelous
>>> R14, depending on the presence/absence/shape of the tombstone, the rear
>>> larger saddlebags may be iffy to setup properly if you are "picky" about
>>> these things like the bag lying perfectly flat on the rack, not distorted,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> I need to line up all my bags, take photos and put them for sale, since
>>> I've pretty much settled on what I'm using/keeping and what I'm not, but
>>> it's been fun. I just love bags!
>>>
>>> As for the mount for the Varia radar, the site you pointed me to also
>>> sells the adapter to fit it on the strap that most of these bags have for a
>>> rear light, which would not require the use of the rack. When I get mine in
>>> a couple of weeks, I'll post some photos so you can check it out.
>>>
>>> René
>>>
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