bleep blorp! sent from my phone On Jun 14, 2016 3:39 PM, <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/rbw-owners-bunch/topics> > Google > Groups > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > Topic digest > View all topics > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/rbw-owners-bunch/topics> > > - Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research > <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_0> - 12 Updates > - Wald Big Basket + Nitto small front racks > <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_1> - 5 Updates > - WTB/WTT: Looking for a 46cm Noodle Bar > <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_2> - 1 Update > - Separation anxiety at an all time high!! > <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_3> - 1 Update > - Thoughts on Cambium? <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_4> - 2 > Updates > - Joe Appaloosa on tour <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_5> - 1 > Update > - FS- 64cm Wisconsin borne Samuel Hillborne frameset > <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_6> - 1 Update > - Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build? > <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_7> - 1 Update > - Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats? > <#m_1277912225395663076_group_thread_8> - 1 Update > > Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/c3afe413f7f186a2?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Jan Heine <hein...@earthlink.net>: Jun 14 09:51AM -0700 > > In science, it's important that results are replicable - this means that > anybody doing the same experiment must get the same results. I was excited > to learn that recently, Joshua Poertner (formerly of Zipp, now of Silca) > has replicated our results on tire pressure: Higher tire pressures don't > make you faster on smooth pavement, and definitely are slower on rough > surfaces. He apparently used the same rumble strip method as we did when > we > first quantified suspension losses. > > More about this is here: > > https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/suspension-losses-confirmed/ > > It's exciting that what used to be highly controversial now is entering > the > mainstream. And I want to thank the listmembers who were open to these > ideas long before anybody else. > > Jan Heine > Editor > Bicycle Quarterly > www.bikequarterly.com > Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com>: Jun 14 10:19AM -0700 > > Thank you, Jan! What you said about the vibrations in the body (and thus > the brain) and your being sore all over after testing, got a big "Yes!" > from me, as I've found my brain energy is sucked out rapidly with stiffer > tires. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:51:58 AM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote: > Shoji Takahashi <shoji.takaha...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:53AM -0700 > > The article referenced by Jan features a French-blue Rivendell Road with > resist nomads: > http://trstriathlon.com/talking-tires-with-joshua-poertner/ > > (I think this is David's bike, and I hope he's compensated given the > reference to photopin license. His Flickr feed shows up as no commercial > use.) > > I like this section (towards bottom of the article): > > > stays to hold them? Who is going to manufacture all this stuff, and how > > will the bike designer, the wheel builder, and the tire maker negotiate > the > > new standards? > > > Indeed, who is going to manufacture all this stuff??? > > shoji > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote: > Peter White <peterjwh...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 03:19PM -0400 > > I remember being told this by one of the technical people from Michelin > some 35 years ago at the east coast trade show - what is now Interbike in > Las Vegas. They knew back then that very high pressures gave you no > advantage. So this tendency for tire manufacturers in the past 30 years to > rate their tires with higher and higher pressures has always seemed odd to > me. But clearly, the public has been sold on the idea that higher pressure > is better, to the detriment of ride quality, performance, and the > durability of rims. > > > -- > Peter White > Lungimsam <john11.2...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 12:51PM -0700 > > What role does tire pressure and width play in difficulty/ease of tire > spin up? > Peter White <peterjwh...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 03:57PM -0400 > > Please define spin up? > > > -- > Peter White > Lungimsam <john11.2...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 01:54PM -0700 > > Spin-up: > Starting from a stop and getting the bike revved-up to cruising speed > where one abandons standing on their pedals and takes their seat. > > "Spinning-up" the tires/bike from the stop to cruising speed. > cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 02:02PM -0700 > > Hey, that picture does look familiar! Thanks for the heads up, Shoji! > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Shoji Takahashi < > shoji.takaha...@gmail.com > > -- > Cheers, > David > > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 02:03PM -0700 > > This would be the original image: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8622476729 > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Shoji Takahashi < > shoji.takaha...@gmail.com > > -- > Cheers, > David > > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 02:07PM -0700 > > He links to the original. A heads up would have been polite I suppose. > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:03 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > -- > Cheers, > David > > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > Peter White <peterjwh...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 05:11PM -0400 > > Ah! The larger tire has more mass, so it would spin up slower. Other than > that, I'm not qualified to give an opinion. > > > -- > Peter White > Lungimsam <john11.2...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 02:33PM -0700 > > 1. What does the higher mass do in regards to climbing? Help or hinder? > > I wonder at what point the mass is nullified by hysteresis, s-losses, and > planing, supple tires, etc.? One could do alot of mixed variables tests to > see how it all shakes out. > > 2. Also, what about tire sidewall deformation under the force of the rim > turning? > > Wouldn't a supple tire's sidewalls deform more, lagging behind the rim to > a point, though the bead stays in place, resulting in slower response and > drag? > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > Wald Big Basket + Nitto small front racks > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/a7409f0c5b068c45?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Minh <mgiangs...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 11:24AM -0700 > > First off, i will not comment on how i secure my basket to my front racks. > > Second, is there any guidance (common sense or otherwise) about using the > bigger wald basket on the smaller nitto racks (either M12, Nitto Mini, > Mark's)? Should i limit myself to bulky but not heavy loads? > > I find that i'm not using my Big Front Rack as much and would like to > switch to a smaller front rack, but not if i will be super-limited in > use-cases.... > Howard Hatten <yoha...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 12:08PM -0700 > > I used a large wald attached to a nitto mini on my recent trip from > Pittsburg to DC. Zip ties. I have drop bars and the only problem I had was > a shimmy when I rode hands on the interrupters. With hands on the hoods it > rode fine. I limited my weight to 10 lbs or less. I think if I was using > one of the upright type bars there would have been no problem. On an > Atlantis. > > Howard > Livonia Mi > Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 01:33PM -0700 > > It is my opinion that an arbitrarily small support rack for a really large > Wald basket will be fine. The failure mode you might experience if you > load the basket too much will be sag. The unsupported parts of the basket > will bend and droop. This is why some folks recommend a real porteur style > rack because it supports the basket closer to the perimeter, mitigating > the > risk of droop. Even if you do bend your basket, that's not a catastrophic > failure mode (thank you steel). If you ask basket beaters like Manny, it's > not even a failure. It's character! > > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 11:24:38 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote: > Leslie <leslie.bri...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 01:37PM -0700 > > FWIW, I use a Platrack on top of my rack, to which the basket is then > attached, giving a better platform. > > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7729133174/in/album-72157623199721925/ > > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/22755349636/in/album-72157623199721925/ > > > I would suggest locating a Platrack... > > > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 2:24:38 PM UTC-4, Minh wrote: > Jack Barnes <jackba...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 02:05PM -0700 > > I used a large Wald on a Mark's Rack for awhile, secured w/ loads of > zipties. I had the same concerns initially, but it worked fine for > moderate > loads. > > I used the Lindsay method for modifying the Wald basket, which makes the > basket a bit shallower, which means you probably won't overload it. > > > > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 1:37:44 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote: > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > WTB/WTT: Looking for a 46cm Noodle Bar > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/586c2b407626d05f?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Jack Barnes <jackba...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 01:31PM -0700 > > Like the title says, looking to buy a 46cm Nitto Noodle H-Bar. > > I have too many bars already to justify a brand-spankin-new H-Bar, without > checking here first. > > I can trade either a VO Rando Bar > <http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/grand-cru-rando-handlebar.html>(48cm) > > or a Mark's Bar <http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/hb6.htm> (46cm). Both > are > for 26.0 clamps. Plus some cash going your way if it doesn't seem like a > straight trade. > > Cheers, > Jack B. in PDX > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > Separation anxiety at an all time high!! > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/500d8ce5f29b2017?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > masmojo <masm...@sbcglobal.net>: Jun 14 01:26PM -0700 > > I got a Bosco not being used, but both sets of Albas are mounted on bikes. > You know honestly the aluminum ones are fractionally lighter, but I like my > steel ones better. > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > Thoughts on Cambium? > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/dd89a4f5d0a7781f?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Jeff Lesperance <jeff.lespera...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 01:15PM -0400 > > I'll be sending my Cambium C17 out to Joe. I'll ask when he's done with it, > to make it available to Reed if he wants to try it, and so on and so forth. > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Justin August <justin.aug...@icloud.com> > wrote: > > Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 12:36PM -0700 > > I'll make sure it gets to Reed if I don't end up making a 'buy' deal with > Jeff first. Thanks for the road test! > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > Joe Appaloosa on tour > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/888d07f23c3f2761?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Shoji Takahashi <shoji.takaha...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 10:58AM -0700 > > Great pics, Val. Still smiling after climbing those hills-- says a lot! > > tailwinds, shoji > > > > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-4, Valerie Yates wrote: > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > FS- 64cm Wisconsin borne Samuel Hillborne frameset > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/63b35befeb465ce1?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Kainalu <kaiviers...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 10:44AM -0700 > > Hi! > I've got a 65 Clem coming my way in July and was expecting to be riding > this Sam around until then, but then my appendix attacked, so I'm letting > it go (my tummy still hurts, doc says absolutely no rolling until July). > Included in the sale is everything seen in the photos ("SHORT" > chainstays!!) minus the wheels & tires. The bottom bracket is brand new > super duper Shimano UN55 113mm, the headset is a headset like any other > except it has some indexing (it's original to the frame). > Photos show plenty of nicks and scratches, but nothing that caused any > damage (no chainsuck, ever). Truth be told, this frame is arguably better > than new! It just got back from a trip to Waterford to get a popped > seatstay repaired, they actually are the source of the scratches on the > chainstays, but they did a beautiful job of making the bike structurally > magnificent so all is forgiven. > > here's photos- > https://goo.gl/photos/XnXmgmEch5tkDNBQA > > All this for $800 + bike flights shipping ($40 when I shipped it to > Waterford a couple months ago) > > Thanks a ton > -Kai > Brooklyn NY > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build? > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/a09070f79481fc1d?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > RJM <crccpadu...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 10:15AM -0700 > > For trail I would go with a flat bar, maybe stick those little bar ends > on. > I did a 6 hour MTB race and I rode a flat bar and the only thing I wish I > added was those ergo bar end things where you can just grip on the end of > the bar. I grip there now just using the end of the bar but those barends > would help. I'm not talking about the old school ones that curve forward > of > the bar, just the ones that are a little nub looking thing. Ergo grips > help > too, but I use some wide raceface grips, which work great. My hands and > arms never really hurt much on that ride....now the legs, that's a whole > 'nudder story. > > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:36:35 AM UTC-5, kielsun wrote: > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats? > <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/66d1810a40cce912?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com>: Jun 14 09:32AM -0700 > > Sorry, Jack, those Noodles left on a Bridgestone RB-1 many years ago. I > don't ride far/hard enough to make road bikes with drops work for me. I'm > not really a cyclist, I'm more of a "ride arounder" ;-) > Back to top <#m_1277912225395663076_digest_top> > You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this > group. You can change your settings on the group membership page > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/rbw-owners-bunch/join> > . > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
