Hugh,

With The upmost respect. You are young.

Humbly,

Curtis

On Friday, June 17, 2016, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I tried both the Moustache & Albastache and liked neither. I felt
> stretched out and the brake lever position wasn't ideal for me. That said
> you may experience them differently. With bikes and most especially with
> cockpits there's no substitute for experience. And we change. When I was
> young I'd imagine there were lot's of bars I'd have liked but today just
> not feasible.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Jun 17, 2016 5:20 PM, "kielsun" <bobk...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bobk...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Getting there, Patrick. By "splayed out" I meant that my body felt too
>> elongated with the moustache bars on my Sam. Some of this splay could've
>> been avoided with a dirt drop stem, though. I'm definitely curious about
>> the Albastache if they're truly quite different from moustache bars.
>> Earlier in this thread you said you have a moustache I could try--did you
>> mean Albastache? If so, I'd be keen to give them a go. Thanks.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 4:13:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Bob, sounds like you are narrowing things down a bit. Ultimately, it's
>>> all an experiment, even if the trial lasts for several years with tweaks
>>> along the way. Grin. I have no experience with 2 and 3, but I rode the
>>> Albatross bars on my Hunqapillar for two years before swapping to
>>> Albastache. For singletrack here on Pikes Peak, I have far less control in
>>> climbing and technical descending with my wings spread so wide (I presume
>>> what you mean when you describe the brake position of the moustache bars as
>>> "splayed out"?). The Albatross bars have a fairly decent climbing position
>>> for short climbs in the "sort-of-curves", but for me the wrists got
>>> uncomfortable fast there. Steering on climbs was twitchy because of width.
>>> On descents, I wanted my hands in the curves, but no brakes. I tried the
>>> moustache bars and found them uncomfortable, but the Albastache bars, for
>>> me, are the best of both worlds. Brakes where I want to be on descents,
>>> control for climbs. I'd suggest you not necessarily rule out the Albastache
>>> bar (depending on what "splayed out" means, because the Albatross bars are
>>> much more splayed out, at least as I would describe them).
>>>
>>> Ultimately, the handlebar dilemma is muddy until you find the right one,
>>> then things suddenly clear up. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 1:58:33 PM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Veloman and Ron.
>>>>
>>>> Ron, I dug around and found an old post of yours about the Map bar.
>>>> Definitely intriguing. I measured the top tube of my Rockhopper and it's
>>>> roughly three cm longer than that of my Sam.
>>>>
>>>> So here are the final few options I'm considering.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Albatross w/ 120 mm Technomic stem.
>>>> 2. Map w/ a dirt drop or short reach (60-80) Technomic.
>>>> 3. Surly Open Bar w/ either a dirt drop or short  reach Technomic.
>>>>
>>>> I love the Albas w/ 100 mm Technomic on my Sam, but the bar ends hit my
>>>> knees on tight turns if I'm not careful. I also use the VO seat post with
>>>> long setback with that setup to get a bit more stretched out.
>>>> Realistically, the 120 mm stem would've solved that issue, but I had
>>>> already glued the Meisha's grips. Rookie move! Might feel the need to
>>>> change that someday...
>>>>
>>>> Going with the Albas and some Deore thumb shifters makes sense because
>>>> it's a known quantity. I'm less apt to try something new since my budget is
>>>> tight (read: non-existent!).
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line: I just need to choose because I'd probably love any of
>>>> these setups and I just want to get this bike on the trail! :)
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
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