Exactly. The closest to being killed while riding a bike was a rear flat on 
my geared disc Karate Monkey at 11 pm on a blowing, -9°F commute home. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 6:14:31 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> Satan himself has clearly designed the track end- derailleur-hangered rear 
> on my Surly Troll. Mixed with fenders, racks and <gasp> disc brakes it is 
> highly functional and curse inducing. Be careful of the deal with the devil
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, please don't use track ends! Use a superexcessivelylong "horizontal" 
>> dropout. So much easier!
>>
>> I had C Mathews retrofit my '03 Riv custom with a longer-than-Campy-1010 
>> dropout; and the 1010 replaced the original Riv vertical. Anyway, room for 
>> prolly 8 teeth difference.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:58 PM, iamkeith <keithhar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Having seen a few comments from Grant lately, to the effect of "if you 
>>> want a single-speed, don't shift" I'd be surprised.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, perhaps the "groovy thing that none of our other 
>>> bikes has ever had," for the contemplated Roadini, is a track end dropout 
>>> with a derailleur hanger attached?  
>>>
>>> Alas, I could speculate for ever, but speculation is all it would ever 
>>> be.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 2:18:24 PM UTC-6, John wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A friend told me they heard Riv has a fixed and/or single speed in the 
>>>> works for 2017.
>>>>
>>>> For some reason, he refused to elaborate. Perhaps he is just full of 
>>>> processed cow fodder.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone here heard anything about this?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
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