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Hi Caroline. Welcome. Would be great to see a pic of your City Betty with the racy Albatross bars! Regarding the comparison of the Clementine to the Dutch city bikes, while they share the drooped top tube feature, the Dutch bikes have a significantly different geometry, practically heading into recumbent territory. As for the Clementine and loads, I carry 15-40 pounds, distributed between rear panniers and front basket, with regularity on my 52cm Clementine. It carries these burdens without complaint, and no flex issues for me at 170ish, though I may be a few pounds lighter this week due to water loss! (The Dutch bike pictured above is from Lovely Bicycle <http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-upright-is-upright.html>.) This message is a public service of the Knights of Clementine Society, dedicated to defending the honor of Clementines everywhere. On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 1:54:53 AM UTC-4, Caroline Golum wrote: > As for the Clementine - just from experience working in different shops, I > find that traditional Dutch step-through style to be a little lacking for > longer rides and heavier loads, but if that's what you're trying to do it > seems perfect! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.