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Hi Caroline. Welcome. Would be great to see a pic of your City Betty with 
the racy Albatross bars! Regarding the comparison of the Clementine to the 
Dutch city bikes, while they share the drooped top tube feature, the Dutch 
bikes have a significantly different geometry, practically heading into 
recumbent territory. As for the Clementine and loads, I carry 15-40 pounds, 
distributed between rear panniers and front basket, with regularity on my 
52cm Clementine. It carries these burdens without complaint, and no flex 
issues for me at 170ish, though I may be a few pounds lighter this week due 
to water loss! (The Dutch bike pictured above is from Lovely Bicycle 
<http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-upright-is-upright.html>.) This 
message is a public service of the Knights of Clementine Society, dedicated 
to defending the honor of Clementines everywhere.



On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 1:54:53 AM UTC-4, Caroline Golum wrote:
 

> As for the Clementine - just from experience working in different shops, I 
> find that traditional Dutch step-through style to be a little lacking for 
> longer rides and heavier loads, but if that's what you're trying to do it 
> seems perfect!
>
>  
 

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