IMHO......orange cheviot is more visible in daytime traffic.

On Saturday, August 13, 2016, Surlyprof <jmcclu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> That green was one of my favorite Riv colors (except maybe the recent
> matte green Roscoe Bubbe).  Was surprised when they didn't do it again.  I
> always thought I'd paint my Hillborne that color if I ever bother to
> repaint it.  I also thought the grey looks pretty great in the blug shots.
> Would probably look awesome with tan bags.  If it helps, here is what the
> older, more metallic orange looks like with olive bags.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/16372487184/in/dateposted-
> public/  I love my Hillborne but also thought the Cheviut was pretty
> amazing when I tried one at Riv.  It was such a smooth, graceful ride.  I
> hope they have them back if I ever find it difficult to throw a leg over
> the saddle in the future.
>
> Good luck with your decision.  Sounds like you're deciding between shades
> of great.
> John
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 3:43:51 PM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>>
>> This thread has been so informative.  Thank you all for your comments and
>> stories.  Having lots of data points certainly is helpful in determining
>> what course of action to take - to buy or not to buy a Cheviot.
>>
>> I've read through the comments a few times and the consensus seems to be
>> that those who have purchased a Cheviot (or a Betty or any other Riv
>> mixtie).  The biggest drawback seems to be the lack of a second (or third)
>> bottle mount.  I certainly see that as a concern if the bike would be used
>> regularly on longer rides.  After all, as Garth and others have noted, it
>> kind of sucks to spend $1,500 + on a frame only to add a cheesy bottle
>> holder if you want to carry two bottles.  However, given my intended usage,
>> as a bike that would mainly be ridden around town (farmers market, grocery
>> store, post office, etc) the number of bottles is not really a concern.  I
>> likely would also use this bike to ride on a few local bike paths (mostly
>> paved) where the lack of multiple bottle mounts would not be a huge concern.
>>
>> My guess is that a Clem Smith Jr. would serve my intended purpose just as
>> well as a Cheviot.  However, after riding both (a much more extended ride
>> on the Clem) I had a much bigger smile after riding the Chev - it simply
>> seemed to have a bit more life to it than the Clem.  I don't know if this
>> was due to the tubing used on the bikes, the angles, the wheels or some
>> other factor - the simple reality was that I had more fun riding the
>> Cheviot than the Clem.
>>
>> The more I ponder the Chev the less the "girl bike" thing seems like an
>> issue.  One other silly question that is kind of related to the girl bike
>> thing is the color choice.  I rode a green Cheviot at Rivendell.  I really
>> liked the color.  The new frames have cream headtubes, which the older
>> frames do not.  One more reason to go for a new frame.  Initially I thought
>> that the orange was the best color.  However, the more I think about it the
>> more attracted I am to the grey.  Perhaps this color will make the Chev a
>> bit more manly, as it will look more like a mountain bike.  The description
>> on the website says that the grey is "old Clem grey."  Anyone with a bike
>> in that color care to comment on how they like the color?  Pictures
>> perhaps?  Finally, I have an olive colored saddlesack and a green front bag
>> that I would use with this bike - is orange or grey likely to be my best
>> bet with those colors?
>>
>> Thanks again for your comments.
>>
>> Sean
>> EA, NY
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 7:22 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4Fdy-ulRwI0/V68A0yOEJ0I/AAAAAAAAHeE/yRiBAtBD0-wAAWN-4X2_YZ7WVzuY6B90gCLcB/s1600/dutch%2Bcity%2Bbike.jpg>
>>>
>>> Hi Caroline. Welcome. Would be great to see a pic of your City Betty
>>> with the racy Albatross bars! Regarding the comparison of the Clementine to
>>> the Dutch city bikes, while they share the drooped top tube feature, the
>>> Dutch bikes have a significantly different geometry, practically heading
>>> into recumbent territory. As for the Clementine and loads, I carry 15-40
>>> pounds, distributed between rear panniers and front basket, with regularity
>>> on my 52cm Clementine. It carries these burdens without complaint, and no
>>> flex issues for me at 170ish, though I may be a few pounds lighter this
>>> week due to water loss! (The Dutch bike pictured above is from Lovely
>>> Bicycle
>>> <http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-upright-is-upright.html>.)
>>> This message is a public service of the Knights of Clementine Society,
>>> dedicated to defending the honor of Clementines everywhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 1:54:53 AM UTC-4, Caroline Golum wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> As for the Clementine - just from experience working in different
>>>> shops, I find that traditional Dutch step-through style to be a little
>>>> lacking for longer rides and heavier loads, but if that's what you're
>>>> trying to do it seems perfect!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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