Richard - makes sense on the clem, but is the proto hunqapillar part of the 
new design? would hate to hear it is becoming less of a trial bike with a 
lower bb and longer cs.



On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 6:39:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> In regaurd to clem jr as an option, I know many here will disagree with 
> this but long chainstays and a lowish bottom bracket in my experience 
> didn't make for a great off road ride. This is based of a good bit of time 
> spent abord a proto hunqapillar with 650bees and long cs. I would boil it 
> down this way in terms of ride quality what are you looking for. Smooth and 
> stable Rivendell. speedier and playful Surly. Both great bikes but 
> different priorites wise.

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