Really think about how much trail riding you will be doing and if that 
trail riding will be sort of aggressive single track with roots, rocks, 
switchbacks, a little air time with steep descents and ascents. If you 
think you will be riding frequently like that, get the bike that has disc 
brake tabs and install a set of hydraulic brakes like Shimano (xt and slx 
are very good brakes). IMHO, they are a huge improvement in every way, even 
safety, over cantis, v-brakes, or even mechanical disc for that type of 
riding.

It's not an Ogre, but I had the pleasure of riding a Surly Krampus this 
past weekend. Man, that bike was a blast. 

On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-5, R Olson wrote:

> I'm trying to decide between a riv hunq or a surly ogre.  I want this bike 
> to be the last one I own and I want to be able to do everything with it - 
> ride trails/single track, around town, get groceries, etc.  Has anyone 
> owned or ridden either of these?  My impressions are as follows:  Ogre: 
> more versatile, stronger/stiffer frame, less expensive, probably doesn't 
> ride as good, certainly doesn't look as good. Hunq:  great looks, ride, 
> very expensive, probably more comfortable to ride.  I'd appreciate your 
> thoughts. Thanks!   
>

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