I had to look up Eroica.   Sounds like a fun scene.  Especially if they 
include 80's MTB's! 



On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 9:54:42 AM UTC-5, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Wow that exchange was painful!  I did get a chuckle out of some of it.  I 
> think Mobile 155's glass is definitely half empty.  
>
> I am still getting my head around the Rivendell paradigm.  I loved Grant's 
> recent story about the girl who saw him on a trail on Mount Diablo and 
> laughed at him and said "nice basket".  It makes me chuckle even though 
> Grant didn't see the humor of the situation.  Grant's response was very 
> interesting.  See quote below...
>
> It is interesting to see how people don't get "just ride".  They are so 
> deeply entrenched in the racing is the measure of goodness or greatness 
> paradigm.
>
> "Last week on a morning group ride  (me, Mark, Brian, Roman) here out on 
> the trails, I was grunting up the last hill on my basketed CLEM, and they 
> were standing there with three other riders, and as I was cresting, one of 
> the unknown riders said ”nice basket!” with a chuckle.  Then to the group, 
> “You guys should ride Eroica—it’d be perfect for you.”
>
> All harmless on the surface, but it bothered and bugged me that she was so 
> unaccustomed to seeing unsuspended steel bikes that she thought it must 
> have been a philosophy of life; and that we rubes would enjoy riding with 
> others of our kind. Like, 
> *hey Amish—you should meet the Mennonites—you got the same kinda deal 
> going on, with the clothes and all!*
>
> It can’t be too surprising and I shouldn’t get toooo upset (I’m not, and 
> this is the extent of my venting), but we were there in the open space, 
> with nothing but rolling hills and oaks and dustry trails and barbed-wire 
> fences, riding low key, low tech, perfectly suited bikes (Mark: Custom 
> cross; Brian: Homer; Roman: Sam). The new group was on dual-suspension 
> carbon mtn bikes and had high-key clothing on…which is fine, but the only 
> thing about us that stuck out in the whole scene was nothing, and as the 
> ownerguy of Rivendell, I didn’t like the characterization that I sensed was 
> going on, even if it was all wrong about it and just too defensive. I don’t 
> always have the perfect clue on things like that.
>
> Our bikes are normal. They’re just bikes, really good ones, but they’re 
> designed by riding them, not by trends and fear of falling behind them, or 
> out of a need to match our competition’s X-price point model. They aren’t 
> what they aren’t, and they ought to get to be what they are. Argh. OK, 
> enough of that, and happy days are here again.
> "
>
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 9:34:29 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1067000-grant-petersen-threat-menace.html
>>  
>>  
>>
>> In the past, this group has linked to some virulent threads about GP and 
>> RBW on Bike Forums.  
>> The mods there don't seem to earn their keep in general, and extreme + 
>> rude opinions are often allowed.  
>> In spite of the title, a current thread has run 9 pages and the likes 
>> overwhelmingly out-number the detractions.  
>>
>

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