BTW, I'll be using Campy short pull break levers.


On Wednesday, 30 November 2016 13:33:09 UTC-8, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
> Folks, much appreciate your opinions and sharing your experiences with 
> these bikes.   So I took them for a ride (51 Sam and 46 Joe).  Went there 
> thinking I'm bringing home a Sam frame.  After staring at the bikes for 
> some time,   I started liking the Orange better than Joe's blue :)  How 
> strange!  After the ride however, I ended up choosing Joe disregarding the 
> color.
>
> I like both these bikes better than any other thing I've ridden.  Given a 
> choice between something else and riding one of these bikes, I'll choose 
> the ride anytime of the day.  To me, the major factor in favor of Joe was 
> that it bounced much less as compared to Sam.  I'm thinking this is mostly 
> because on Joe you are sitting closer to the center .
>
> Initial plan was to have one bike that can do road and occasional trail. 
>  I'll use Joe for general riding and build a road bike in future when I 
> find a Rodeo/other nice light frame.
>
> So I'm back to the default state we all find ourselves in: I have all the 
> bikes I need minus one :)   
>
> Component recommendations for Joe are welcome.  First item: Is Paul Mini 
> Moto a good choice for this bike?  Folks at Riv HQ praised Shimano CX70, 
> however I'd like one in silver. 
>
> On Sunday, 27 November 2016 14:40:05 UTC-8, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>
>> Visited Rivendell HQ earlier this week.  It was really hard to squeeze 
>> time for it, but I thought I owed myself a ride on a real Riv before 
>> committing to San Marcos project.  It was a lovely experience.  Had planned 
>> on spending an hour.   Ended up spending more than 4 hours ;).   I was 
>> discussing Sam H vs San M with one of the associates.  At some point Grant 
>> yelled from his office "Sam is just better".    Rode 51cm Sam for an hour. 
>>  In the end my feeling was that there just can't be a single way Marcos 
>> could possibly better.   
>>
>> I should have purchased a Sam frame and left.  I was curious about the 
>> Choco-Moose bar that was on a Jeo.  To try the handlebar I took Joe for a 
>> quick ride.  What a mistake :D   Joe was quite different and felt strangely 
>> pleasant.  
>>
>> It was getting late, so I left decision pending.
>>
>> The color might also have played a role why I didn't decide on Sam then 
>> and there.  While I loved Sam, I didn't like the new Orange color.    I 
>> like the blue color of Joe.  Looking at Joe's geometry though, 46cm seems 
>> to be my size (PBH 81cm) which has 26" wheel.  Aesthetically I don't prefer 
>> wheels that small.  
>>
>> Here's my planned usage for the new bike: Ride to work once a week (46 
>> miles roundtrip).  Around the town, farmers market.  Weekend overnight 
>> camping rides 4-5 times a year.   Sometime in next 5 years I'm hoping to 
>> ride on Dalton Highway for a week to 10 days.
>>
>> Thoughts on which way I should go?  
>> Will 51cm Joe (which works with 650B) be too big for me?
>> If I want a blue Sam, how frequently such frames show up on the used 
>> market?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> PS: my posts making through moderator approval has been a hit or miss. 
>>  Really hoping this one gets a pass!
>>
>>
>>

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