I think it depends a lot on the fender. Also, switching to a brake
with a wider mouth (tektro 556) helps a lot.

But bigger than 28 definitely requires close tolerances with fenders.
For this reason, I am considering selling my wife's barely ridden
Rambouillet (54 blue) and replacing with a 52 Hillborne with fatter
tires. It may turn out to be one of those permission vs forgiveness
things... I doubt I'd get permission if I asked, but I'm sure she'd
forgive me after the first multi-terrain ride.

On Jan 14, 7:11 am, rperks <[email protected]> wrote:
> I recall from the iBoB archives that there was an apparent difference
> based on years.  If I Recall the first, maybe couple, of rounds did
> not fit the wider tires as easily.  Sorry, but I am too lazy to look
> it up at the moment, but I do recall a thread about this over there.
>
> Rob
>
> On Jan 13, 6:01 pm, EricP <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Interesting.  As I just inflate the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40
> > to whatever the mood is.  Usually about 45 front and 60 rear.  And
> > after about 2,400 miles on them last year, do perfer them to the CdlV
> > in 650B.  Those were good tires, but I didn't find them in the same
> > quality league as the Schwable.  At least for my riding preferences.
>
> > Again, that's probably just my preference and my weight.  If I were to
> > lose a lot more weight, things might be different.
>
> > No matter, right now, 40 is about the narrowest tire in the lineup.
> > Although maybe my 700C studded on the Hillborne are not so wide.  But
> > that bike hasn't been out yet this year.  Weather too crummy.
>
> > The differences in folks getting tires to fit in the Ram make me
> > wonder if there are either rim issues involved or - and this is highly
> > unlikely - one batch might be slightly narrower in the stays?
>
> > Eric Platt
> > (who has cabin fever and the Atlantis on the "road to nowhere" trainer
> > isn't helping)
>
> > On Jan 13, 11:05 am, Steve Palincsar <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 08:52 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> > > > I remember the article that Mike mentioned. I think the point was that
> > > > Riv bikes already have good clearances, so why bother (not to mention
> > > > BB height issues...) In the early days of RBW's promotion of 650B, a
> > > > lot of people were converting 27/700 bikes for no clear reason, since
> > > > many of the conversions already had ample tire-space (many 1970s bikes
> > > > had loads of room). Of course, if you have an early 80s Italian racing
> > > > bike or something else with minimal clearance, then there are clear
> > > > benefits to the conversion. We did many of these, which were well
> > > > received by their owners, and made the bikes much more useful and
> > > > interesting.
>
> > > > On Jan 13, 10:17 am, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > Jim makes a really good point here. The Rambouillet works fine with
> > > > > fenders and 32s so why bother with 650b. If you don't use fenders you
> > > > > can fit a tire up to 37mm. There was an article or note in one of the
> > > > > RR, I can't remember which one, where Grant mentioned that their bikes
> > > > > weren't good for 650b conversion.
>
> > > On the other hand, if you can fit it, there is a WORLD of difference
> > > between a 650Bx40 Hetre and any 32mm tire. There's even a world of
> > > difference between a 38mm CdlV and any 32mm tire. I have all these
> > > sizes, and I speak from experience.
>
> > > Also, I've used 35 and 38mm 700C tires in the past (although not the
> > > current gen. Pasela 37mm, which by all accounts is the best wide 700C).
> > > In my opinion, based on my experiences, there is simply no comparison
> > > between the plush, velvety ride of the wide 650Bs and the harsh,
> > > unpleasant, heavy-feeling ride of the wide 700Cs I've tried.
>
> > > And the best of the wide 700C lot, the now-defunct Bruce Gordon Rock 'n
> > > Road knobby, had other issues: very fast wear, and a wicked rebound.
> > > Hit a good sized bump with it, and it was like slamming a basketball on
> > > the ground: BOING! Hang on to the handlebar, lest you lose it.
>
> > > In my experience, the wide 700Cs just aren't the same as the wide 650Bs.
> > > They're generally much higher pressure (in some cases, labeled "inflate
> > > to" 90 or 100 psi) than the corresponding width 650Bs, which often are
> > > labeled 50psi max pressure, with much stiffer sidewalls and beefier
> > > construction all around. Supple, they're not.- Hide quoted text -
>
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