Thanks for sharing these Tim. Didn't know PDW had something thats nice and 
sleek like these.

Lum, I don't do any brevets or anything but commute year round.

For pants I used Makers & Riders 3 season pants, which are completely 
waterproof but super breathable. Not sure if they make them anymore but it 
wouldn't hurt to ask if they have something equivalent to that.

For summers it's a bit harder, I wear thicker nylon waterproof shorts like 
Sugoi or something. I ride wool socks and have gortex shoes. I try to wear 
the Makers & Riders pants when I can,  so the  rain doesn't drip down into 
my shoes.

I've tried to use waterproof socks, but have yet to find any that are also 
breathable.


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:48:29 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I had a stick jam in my rear fender stays. I skidded to a stop safely. The 
> fender (SKS P45) accordioned under the brake bridge, but nothing besides 
> the fender was damaged.
>
> Since then, I use a safety tab on the rear as well as the front fender 
> stays.
> Riv sells the SKS tab.
> For metal fenders with round stays (Honjo, Berthoud, VO, PDW), Portland 
> Design Works sells an "FMF safety tab".  I added two sets to my metal VO 
> fenders and they work great. The FMF safer tabs incorporate a grub screw 
> for the stay length, so it's easy to micro-adjust them for a perfect fender 
> line.
>
>
> My points are: a rear fender jam isn't as catastrophic as a front jam. 
>  But, both can be  mitigated with safety tabs at the stay ends.
>
>
> --Tim; with full fenders on 3 bikes in "sticky" Iowa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 26, 2017, at 1:42 AM, lum gim fong <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
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