I don't ride often in the rain, but I do occasionally ride in very heavy (=
SW downpour) rain and let me tell you, even when riding through 6" of
flowing water, fenders **do** help keep you dry. They also keep the bike
much cleaner.

Do fenders make riding more risky, particularly when there is a great deal
of debris on the road? Yes, but they don't hugely increase the risk, IMO.
When there is a great deal of debris on the road, there is also more risk
of getting a stick in the spokes; or in the derailleur, assuming you use
such an effete thing. And, you can set fenders up to prevent wheel jamming:
for plastic fenders, breakwaway tabs; or by attaching the front fender
halfway up the fork legs.

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Sweat: Rain capes do work. They do blow about, but I've ridden without
undue comfort in capes in huge drenchers with huge and gusty winds. I get
soaked from neck up and from knees down, but in between is cool and dry, at
least if you use a thinner nylon cape. I found the Carradice Ducksback too
heavy, and that did make me sweat.

I use a thin and cheap Campmore, weighted down in back with 2 or 3 packets
of washers attached to the lower rear skirt. (It's been a while since I
used the cape, and it's stuffed into its sack, and I don't want to pull it
out; sufficient to say that 2 or 3 stacks of 2 or 3 sufficiently large
washers attached by rubber band or any other method you prefer do keep the
rear skirt in place and let you dispense with the annoying leg straps and
waist ties.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:42 AM, lum gim fong <john11.2...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year,
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
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