I think the question of whether it is possible to pop a wheelie on bikes 
with long chain stays indirectly brings up an important, but often ignored 
point in these chain stay length discussions.  People---and bikes---come in 
different sizes, but chain stays vary by a much smaller proportional amount 
with the minimum length set by wheel size and the maximum traditionally set 
by tubing manufacturers at just a coupla-few centimeters longer than the 
minimum.  The effects of using Cheviot/Clem/Joe-length stays is likely to 
be quite different for small vs. large bike/rider combinations.

I, for example, am tallish (6'2", 183cm), heavy (260 lbs, 118 kg) and 
reasonably strong.  At my end of the scale, the problem is not that I cann 
pop a wheelie when I want to, the problem is that I pop accidental little 
wheelies all the time when starting or pedaling out of the saddle.  I can 
still easily wheelie* a Cheviot when I want to, but I like that it pretty 
much only happens when I want it to. These so-called super-long chain stays 
may just be bringing me closer to what my shorter brethren and sistren 
think of as a bike with normal handling.  That said, I cannot speak to the 
way longer stays would affect handling on smaller bikes, but taking a 
gander at the geometry table suggests that chain stay length varies more 
proportionally with frame size on the long-stay models than on the older 
designs---e.g., Hillbornes all have 44.5 or 45.5 cm stays, Appaloosas vary 
by twice that and Cheviot and Clem stays range over 9 or 10 cm.

-- 
Mark Anderson in Chicago

* Pop a wheelie.  Properly riding a wheelie down the street is a different 
matter, but that's really more about the rider than the bike in my case.

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:59:56 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>
> I too am curious about these seemingly super long stays.  Can you ever pop 
> even a small wheelie??  All fpr comfort and stability but that looks like 
> an awfully long bike?

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