I love Nitto stuff so much that I'd never want to ask them to do anything that puts them at risk, and I agree that even though the Noodle-moose would be the greatest stem/bar ever there would be no way to get the measurements correct for even a few, I bet.
On to dreaming of other things. Did I mention that I'm crazy in love with my new Atlantis? Brynnar Indy On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 2:58:21 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 5:20 AM, ctifusion <brynnar...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Thanks for the info Grant. I can understand Nitto's position. I have a >> lot of miles on those bars in road and "gravel" conditions and I don't get >> any sense that they are weak or dangerous. >> >> Also, not sure what the deleted message said but I surely didn't intend >> this to be a controversial post. I'm not a "gravel grinder" guy trying to >> change Riv, just the opposite, >> >> THe message I deleted, that was up for a minute or two, had a sentence > with a few missing words--typo. I just filled in the fix and deleted then > funky one, is all. > > Nitto's paranoia is well-earned. Nitto has developed a small following > here and in Europe in the past eight to ten years or so, and some > importers/distributors have made available to the Western market handlebars > that were originally developed for city use in Japan. They're made with > perfectly good aluminum (they are NITTO, after all), but aren't made to the > same strength standards as the hard-core/universal market bars are. But > people see them as cool, super inexpensive, under-the-radar Nitto bars, and > they use them for gnarly stuff. A few years ago some burly Germans and one > or two Americans broke five of those bars, and the ensuing recall (and the > management of it, by a US distributor who is not us or Merry Sales) cost > NITTO about a m____...and lawsuits were filed even tho nobody was > permanently super seriously hurt. > NITTO is a small company, 40 employees, average age pushing 60, and they > aren't raking it in, so this kind of stuff messes them up, and that's why > they test in-house more rigorously than industry standard tests, and that's > why they don't make wide drops. We could ask them to design a bar-stem > combo around a widey, but probably we'd be a centimeter and a degree or two > or three off for some, and perfect for nobody, and it might be > unsatisfying. Drops are mainly for road use, because for trail use you > don't want a forward braking position--on a steep descent it makes no > sense, don't even argue for it. A short stem can mitigate the weight-shift > a little, but also on a drop, your lower hand position makes it harder to > weight the rear wheel. Over the years there have been remedial stems--the > LD, the DirtDrop to name two, but they evolved with a focus on using drop > bars because the straight bars more popular had their own problems. > For me and I think most people, the Goldilox bar for trail riding is a > swept-back, come-up bar, which offers the grip positions of a drop without > the forward lunge braking position that fights you on a downhill. Visuals > and histories come in play in a big way when picking handlebars, though, > and there's no use fighting them. Plus, there's always always the pull of > the unavailable bar, or the bar that just so combines elements of two or > three existing bars but itself doesn't exist. > I rode Ultra Romance's 66wide drop bar Crust and loved it. I don't think > I'd put a bar like that on my bike, but if it were on my bike already, I > wouldn't be in a hurry to take it off, either. There's a lot of conflicting > good ways out there! > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >>>> >>>> Nitto tests bars and stems together and wants the bars to break before >>>> the stem. The bars are already strong, and they've found that even 51s (we >>>> had samples made) impose too much leverage on the stem. The workaround >>>> might be to make stronger stems, but then you get into a whole escalating >>>> mish-mash where one chases the other, and stems, which have forced >>>> dimensions inherited down the line, and then all you can do is make it >>>> steel. >>>> One of the drawbacks of working with NITTO is accepting their >>>> super-prudence in times like this. It's like, also, when our 66cm Wavie >>>> bars come in---we'll recommend them only with CrMo or other Nitto stems >>>> intended for mtn bikes. Some will mount them on Tallux (road) stems, but >>>> we >>>> will recommend something stronger. When NITTO hears "mountain bike riding" >>>> they imagine the worst and stupidest. Personally, I don't think at all >>>> that >>>> Crust is being IMprudent with the widies. It's a good company and they do >>>> neat, good things! >>>> >>>> On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure the 666mm Crust bars are way too wide for most, but I love >>>>> them. And they don't really make them anyway, I was just in the right >>>>> place >>>>> when they brought out the one run. I keep waiting for someone to put a >>>>> wide >>>>> drop bar into production. >>>>> >>>>> I think a 58 Noodle would be a huge hit for a lot of riders. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> Brynnar >>>>> Indy >>>>> >>>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Ob4US_07qMI/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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