I have been really enjoying the convenience of loading my front rack (Nitto 
32-f) with a grocery bag full of goods in my Ocean Air Docena (Swift) bag 
for years.  In fact, yesterday, i loaded way more than I should have - at 
22 pounds of goods (I weighed it when I got home cause I was curious). I 
was nervous about the load, even though it rode remarkably well - until I 
was at a stop and had massive wheel flop.  Still, prudence tells me, as 
much as a big load in the front bag is convenient, it's not safer than two  
panniers on my low-riders (Tubus Tara) on my Sam. I think, all equal, for 
load stability and safety, if you're  gonna cary big loads, keep them low 
and off the front wheel - no matter what front rack you have (excepting a 
Surly Nice Rack or Nitto Big Front Rack, of course, which are both 
monsters).

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:23:46 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> My limit on my VO Rando rack is filling up my GBerthoud GB25 bag. I don’t 
> add more than thst as I was told that the VO rando is ok up to maybe 15lbs 
> iirc. BTW Those Bertie bags are heavy even empty. 
> My GB 25 is with Nitto for Pearl stems decaleur bar attachment on bag, no 
> stiffner- 604g Hea-vy!!!

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