Reed,

I arrived at the same conclusion. Although, I did pick up a 62cm c-t Riv 
Custom from 2001 to scratch the super light weight itch! No provisions for 
racks and it will fit 32mm tires and fenders. It is a very nice ride.

On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 4:08:39 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> Dang, thanks so much Brian! I have learned so much by derailing this poor 
> thread!
>
> As someone who just picked up a 65cm Hilsen and then found himself 
> wondering if he'd be better served by a Roadeo the info from Mark you 
> shared is music to my ears.
>
> The Hilsen fits better, takes a bigger tire, and has more BB drop, all 
> things I like. Yet I was thinking of giving it all up for a lighter-tubed 
> Roadeo! Glad to know there's not much improvement to be had, at least in my 
> size.
>
> Even better, I already have the Hilsen.
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:24 AM Brian Campbell <bdcamp...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> This is an e-mail exchange I had with Mark at Riv a few years back. I 
>> think it s his way of telling me that the the ultra lightweight tubing is 
>> in the smaller sized Roadeos only. YMMV.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>>  
>>
>> In sizes 59cm and up, the tube spec is pretty similar between the Roadeo 
>> and Hilsen.  So, the main difference with probably come from lighter 
>> components and smaller volume tires, resulting in a more spirited ride 
>> feel. This along with slight geometry differences would differentiate the 
>> two models.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Any other questions, let me know.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Campbell,Brian D.
>> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:22pm
>> To: "ma...@rivbike.com <javascript:>" <ma...@rivbike.com <javascript:>>
>> Subject: Roadeo or Hilsen
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hi. I spoke with Will and he suggested an e-mail to you. I ride a 61cm 
>> AHH (really like it) but am finding I am doing more and more riding where I 
>> am focused on riding by itself, not carrying things or commuting per se. I 
>> was considering a Roadeo (also in 61cm or perhaps 59cm size, I can fit both 
>> per Riv’s sizing method 87cm PB height)) and aside from rear spacing, 
>> shifter mounts, tires size and slight front end geometry difference on the 
>> Roadeo, is there a meaningful difference in the tubing types between the 
>> two frames? If yes, could you let me know what they might be?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Brian
>>
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