>Try changing the height of your bars on the road with a threadless stem. 
If you set it up correctly (extra length in the steerer+ extra spacers), it 
can be done ... but it will take ten times longer than with a quill stem.

Dear Eric,

If one is in the habit of constantly changing one's bar height without 
making corresponding changes to one's stem extension, you are correct. 

If one adjusts both height and reach in tandem (necessary in my 
experience), then most quill setups (which do not have removable face 
plates) are a bigger pain than playing musical removable-faceplate stems.

If one more-or-less sets the handlebar position and doesn't mess with it 
(most riders I know fall into this latter bin), then this disadvantage is 
not really a significant one. 

My René Herse has the awkward combination of a one-off clamp-on stem and 
threaded headset, and the only time it bugs me (besides aesthetically--it 
is not an elegant engineering solution in my opinion) is about every four 
years, when I travel by air with it and have to pull the fork. I could 
freely adjust the bar height, though...

Finally, how often do you actually change stem height *during a ride* once 
your fit is dialed in? My frequency is zero (since 1976).

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO
 

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:11:43 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Try changing the height of your bars on the road with a threadless stem. 
> If you set it up correctly (extra length in the steerer+ extra spacers), it 
> can be done ... but it will take ten times longer than with a quill stem.
>
> OTOH, it’s impossible to get a threadless stem stuck inside the steerer, 
> which has happened on several of my standard-quill bikes.
>
> Eric N
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> On Apr 14, 2019, at 8:49 PM, hugh flynn <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> The ease of adjustment for threadless stems is indeed so great that it is 
> astounding how hard it can be to describe properly...
>
> That said, the gains offered by simplicity are offset by the frequency 
> with which one has to do it. For all the claimed complexity of threaded 
> headset adjustmemt, one doesn't have to fiddle with headset preload when 
> changing or adjusting a quill stem.
>
> Hugh "net gain is null" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 11:07 PM Drw <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. This is what kept me away from threadless for so long. It seemed so 
>> complicated based on descriptions. In reality it’s super simple. So much so 
>> that I questioned what I was doing the first few times. “Is the stem bolt 
>> actually holding the fork on the bike?” Still runs thru my head. 
>>
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