Appreciate the info Ted. Yes on the Tokyo bikes. I absolutely love my Rambouillet
Sent from my iPad > On May 1, 2019, at 9:06 AM, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Thanks Pondero, your bike looks like a twin to mine. So it seems ~2010 is a > decent estimate. > > Fullylugged, your history is a bit off. > The early AHH frames were built by Toyo. I think one way those frames can be > distinguished from the later Waterford built ones is the water bottle mounts > on the underside of the down tube. I believe there are other cosmetic details > too. At the time RBW moved production from Toyo to Waterford in response to a > surging yen, G wrote about the MUSA frames being just as good as the Toyos > but that there were minor differences and that if one wanted a Toyo the time > to get it was ... > After the introduction of the AHH and before (or about when) production moved > to Waterford the Saluki was folded into the AHH model. In the smaller sizes > even sized AHH were 650b and odd sized ones were 700c. Large 650b frames were > discontinued (i think 58 was the largest pre MIT 650b AHH) > In the transition some bikes were built using Saluki bottom brackets (using > up existing stock?) but badged and decaled as AHHs. > So is a frame with a SA-### sn sold by RBW with an AHH head badge and AHH > decals a Saluki or an AHH? I duno, a rose by any other name ... or some such > thing. > If there weren't many Salukis sold there must have been very very few of > these "HiLuki" bikes. Rarity aside mine has become very precious to me. It's > probably my favorite bike and if it were stolen or wrecked i don't think I > could replace it. Nothing against current RBW production, but those old Toyo > built bikes are sooo pretty. > >> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 2:56:34 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: >> If it has an SA serial number then it is a Saluki and not a Hilsen. Saluki >> was only made in 650B and Hilsen came in 700. After the merger, smaller size >> Hilsens came in 650B and larger ones in 700. Saluki was made in Japan >> starting in 2004 and Hilsen was made in the US from 2006, then later in >> Taiwan as currency exchange rates became an issue. They were always >> functionally equivalent. Salukis were mostly side pulls but a small number >> were made for cantis. There weren't a lot of Salukis made, and I think they >> ended production (although some hung around in the RBW attic for a long >> while) around 2007. Both models were for sale separately through 2007. >> $1,500 for FFHS combo. >> At least I think that's about right. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/VaRcBfcLELE/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
