Thanks Steve.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:05 AM Steve Cole <cole....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Sorry for the delay.  I have both Berthoud's Aspin and Aravis; the only
> difference is the rail material, steel vs titanium.  I also have a Rivet
> Independence.  Important to me is they all have the cutout, which makes a
> huge difference in comfort.  I also like the narrowness as I have pretty
> thick thighs.  As for the Rivet, it is a stiffer saddle than the Berthouds,
> not quite as comfortable.  I wanted to try it and am still deciding whether
> to keep it on the bike it inhabits.  Good Luck,
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as
>> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old
>> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then
>> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles.
>> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the
>> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay
>> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but
>> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather
>> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if
>> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.
>> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart,
>> +20=110mm.
>>
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