I meant that while I cannot say I've experienced what Jan calls "planing," I have experienced bikes that make me (consistently, over extended periods of ridership) make me want to use a smaller cog, and those that seem at least on occasion to "hold you back" -- feel sluggish in certain conditions, as if you were riding into a small headwind or as if your rear brake were dragging slightly, or as if you were riding on Schwalbe Marathons.
the 1999 custom never felt as if it were holding me back and I progressively geared it 70", 72", 75", and 76". The Matthews fat tire dirt road bike doesn't feel ever as if it holds me back. But the 2003 did, sometimes, as when the terrain began to slope upward slightly, or as when you turned into a headwind. The new Matthews replacement for this 2003 doesn't feel that way; it encouraged a roughly 4 gi higher cruising gear and, even in that gear, feels easier to pedal on hills and against winds, compared to the 70" of the 2003. I've not yet ridden the Libertas, which is just a frameset being refurbished by Chauncey. I used its weight in comparison to that of the Libertas to illustrate the beefiness of the 2003, thinking that the heavy (as well as OS) tubing might be the cause of the perceived sluggishness. The Libertas is a (I think) early 1970s road race bike with normal gauge and apparently thinwall 531 tubing; the Ram is a Rivendellian UJB with thicker and OS tubing. The Ram didn't feel bad, but it felt rather like the 2003 custom: not spritely, not encouraging a tooth smaller. It also felt a little slow to change direction compared to the customs, possibly because I am used to sub 25" wheels on road bikes instead of 27" wheels. Again, I've not ridden the Libertas, but given that the new Chauncey road bike rides so delightfully with NG .8.5.8 tubes, I have high hopes for the Libertas. On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:25 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Patrick > > I'm confused about your 'planning" discussion. Was the 60 C-C Liberatas > the planning bike?? I thought all Rivendellls used OS main tubes (they > may be thin wall but still OS). Maybe the Liberatas was an exception, but > thought it was similar to a Ramboiulet > > John Hawrylak > Woodstown NJ > > On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 6:49:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> "Yes" to "... buy one Rivendell and then keep riding it for20 years ..." >> and "No" to "never to be bothered to get another one." >> >> My favorite bike of all time is my 1999 Joe Starck custom Riv Road, but >> I've bought and sold on 4 other Rivs as I found other bikes better suited >> to my admittedly idiosyncratic taste. >> >> BUT!! These other replacements have all been refined by what I learned >> from riding those 4 Rivs that I sold on; the most recent being that 2003 >> Curt Goodrich; I loved it, rode it, discovered a flaw*, and replaced it, >> the outstanding replacement standing on the shoulder of that previous giant. >> >> >> * I think I've never experienced "planing," but I finally realize I've >> experienced its opposite: The 2003 just didn't go like the 1999; come to an >> incline, turn into a headwind, and it got sluggish, didn't respond properly >> to higher exertion, and hurt my quads. Excessively thick-walled OS tubing? >> Again, 7 lb F + F + Ultegra alloy HS for a 58 c-c, where my 60 c-c >> Libertas weighs 5.9 F + F + STEEL (old Campy Record) HS. At any rate, the >> replacement, with thinwall standard tubing just seems more eager. >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:39 PM Ryan M. <ryan.merr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ...I wonder how many people just buy one Rivendell and then keep riding >>> it for 20 years never to be bothered to get another one. I am not one of >>> those people. >>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f55d0ef2-deb9-4eb1-8ecd-c6e1d8a96eb2o%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f55d0ef2-deb9-4eb1-8ecd-c6e1d8a96eb2o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgugOp1LrANOfsbCrpqMy%3DMkVW_4sLWy5_4sxbQdyhGoxw%40mail.gmail.com.
