Hey. Just to clarify. The frame does have a longer “reach” number also to be used with a flat bar set up. But yes I was saying that also.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 10:56 AM Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's very easy to imagine, and anyway the point in question doesn't really > involved long top tubes, it simply refers to reach. The OP said that when > he installed the bar on a long stem he could climb standing comfortably > holding the grips, but when seated the grips were too far away. When he > installed a shorter stem, he felt comfortable seated but standing to climb > and holding the grips felt "weird." I counseled that holding forward of the > grips while standing might solve the problem, and gave instances. Not > rocket science. > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 4:16 AM Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> You can't image it *with the frame designs you've been riding *Patrick. >> Of course you hate swept back bars on your bikes, of course you consider >> that "sit up and beg". The frame reach is too darn short of reach for those >> bars. That square pegs don't fit into a round holes is obvious, they simply >> don't match. >> >> >> A frame with a much longer reach is where they function best, and even >> then, the design of the frame's handling will effect how those bars feel in >> all riding conditions. I have 2 distinctly different handling bikes, the >> Bombadil and a Franklin custom(sport/touring), both with long reaches, tall >> stack heights, 13cm stems and 56cm Alba bars set up the same way. I mostly >> ride at say a 45-65 degree angle. With drop bars on the Franklin it was >> much less than that. >> >> The Bomba up/down hill can feel like turning a wheelbarrow, there is >> definite resistance to steering inputs wherever my hands are on the bar >> fore-aft.... while the Franklin feels completely neutral >> everywhere-all-the-time meaning the bike isn't offering much resistance to >> steering inputs. It's free and easy, slow/fast/up/downhill, I find this >> most intuitive. Same bar and stem, similar frame reach, two very different >> experiences. I ride both all the time. Different bikes for different >> moods. >> >> I like Dave Moulton's depiction of a vertical pencil on a table. Turning >> left and right is very easy. Now tilt it back some and try steering left >> and right. The more tilt, the more resistant it feels to turning inputs, >> like a wheelbarrow. >> >> >> The Bomba up until the last Clem/Hillybike designs, had the the longest >> reach of any Riv design per given frame size. It was the only Riv frame >> that would work for me with swept back bars because I know how much frame >> reach I prefer. I can see why people say they disliked the Alba, or swept >> bars in general. On a frame with not enough reach you can/may end up with >> too much weight/pressure on your hands and feel too upright, especially >> when you limit yourself to the bar ends. Add that with the design of the >> steering and a customers intangible expectations, and you have all sorts >> of opinions expressed. >> >> So having swept back bars with plenty of reach is a totally different >> experience from "sit up and beg". Yeah ... you're begging for a better >> fitting bike... more frame reach please ! I remember riding English >> 3-speeds back in the day, gawd was that awful. Waaaay too short of reach , >> straight up riding and your knees almost hitting the bars. Quite unstable. >> How anyone put up/puts up with that is beyond me ! 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