Actually, there was the original Road, with a level top tube and the 
slightly later Road Standard, with a sloping top tube. Also, the drop outs 
came from different suppliers.

Bruce (1995 Road)

On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:02:20 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course customs 
> started as imports even if at some point they came back to Waterford it 
> would seem.  Am I missing any other originally MIA frames? 
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The Atlantis started in Japan, too. Bleriot was the first Taiwan model, 
>> then some time after that the costs got so high for the Toyo frames that it 
>> made more sense to have those done in USA at Waterford. There are two model 
>> names that have existed on Toyo, Waterford and MIT frames: Atlantis and 
>> Homer. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:27:52 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Steve. 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar <pali...@his.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US 
>>>> made.
>>>> On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were USA 
>>>> made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was for 
>>>> the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not 
>>>> made 
>>>> in USA was the MIT Bleriot.
>>>>
>>>> You're wrong about that.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve Palincsar
>>>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>>>> USA
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