The wheelset on my Clem is built from the previous generation VO touring 
hubs (same manufacturer?)  laced to Cliffhangers. I've run 2.35 G-One 
speeds and 55mm Antelope hills on them and both tires set up very easily 
tubeless using velocity rim tape. 

I'm really happy with the hubs- they feel really smooth and have minimal 
resistance when spinning them in the stand. I'd rate the free hub as medium 
loudness. It's not a hub noise that I would "notice" as being unusually 
loud if that makes sense. No high pitched buzz or anything that makes you 
focus on it. But it's definitely not Shimano quiet. I did quiet it down 
some using some Dumonde Tech free hub grease but the effect wore off and I 
stopped reapplying it as the hub noise doesn't really bother me. 

Hubs have been problem free for 3 years of Seattle commuting/light touring 
and off-road riding. The free hub is incredibly easy to service and the 
bearings are easy to access too (though I haven't had to replace them). All 
in all I think it's a great value for a nice looking, no nonsense hub. 
Can't argue with the quality of White, but if you're looking for a lower 
price point the VO may be a great option. If I needed another 135 qr 
wheelset, I'd choose these hubs again, especially with the excellent 
customer support that I've had from VO in the past.
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> Here are the specs for the Cliffhangers and A23's. You'll notice the A23's 
> optimal max tire width is 35mm 
>
> https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584
>
> And the cliffhanger optimal tire widths are between 45mm and 65mm the 
> schwabe g1's are 2.25 or approximately 56 mm.
>
> https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584
>
> I imagine your going to run a narrower tire?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hugh
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 8:33 PM velomann <velo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Velocity A-23 rims come in silver, are tubeless compatible, and have a 
>> brake track.
>> I have a pir I'm going to build up for my Sam as soon as I track down the 
>> right hubs.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> So as not to offend any long-term members on this list I did first do a 
>>> search and did not find an answer to my question? I believe back in 2018 
>>> William Henderson in PDX after an accident had a wheel set built with the 
>>> same hubs I'm considering, if he could chime in that would be excellent.
>>>
>>> On with the question,
>>>
>>> Does anybody have experience with the Velo Orange Grand Cru 135mm QR 
>>> Shimano hub? Specifically, has it held up over time? How does it feel? Does 
>>> it spin freely? How does it sound? Meaning is it silent or does it have a 
>>> loud ratcheting noise? What were your initial impressions of the build 
>>> quality and then later impressions.
>>>
>>> It's my aesthetic, I just see my new to me Atlantis built with silver 
>>> shiny hubs otherwise I'd build my new wheels with a DT Swiss 350 rear hub 
>>> and be done. I'm considering a White Industries hub but that's close to 
>>> $200 more over the VO hub. Just debating whether the extra $$ is worth it? 
>>>
>>> I'm going with the Velocity Cliffhangers, wish they came in silver :( 
>>> Planning on running schwabe g ones in 2.25" evolutions for cush and speed. 
>>> If you have a recommendation on rims that will allow for tubeless, decent 
>>> tire profile in silver please lmk. FYI not going with the HED Belgian rims 
>>> at $165 nope! 
>>>
>>> I'm also looking for the Riv stem shifters currently out of stock on the 
>>> Riv Hq site. If anyone has a pair that they're willing to part with let me 
>>> know? 
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Hugh in Sunny SoCal Los Angeles to be exact. 
>>>
>>> Since I'm honorable and might as well ask another question. I plan on 
>>> running aluminum albatross bars any recommendations for grips. My 
>>> preference is a easily removed grip like the Ergon which I have. Is there 
>>> an esi like grip that's removes simply?
>>>
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