I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a video that they 
did not watch. As Tom pointed out, the Sam Hillborne is the "low trail" 
bike in this comparison - you need to watch the video to know what is in 
it. Note that I have one Crust (Scapegoat) and 12 Rivendells.

One word on guitarists: Hendrix.

Laing

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:09:04 AM UTC-5 Tom M wrote:

> FWIW, the particular Crust Russ is reviewing isn't low trail — he said 
> it's 76 or 75 mm. I don't have a particular dog in the fight, and I enjoyed 
> the video and don't consider it click-bait. As Russ said, he gets asked 
> this type of question all the time, so why not do a video?
>
> And re: guitarists—thanks to Philip for the Rory Gallagher link. I'd never 
> heard of him but will now check him out.
>
> Tom Milani
> Alexandria, VA USA
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 2:18:44 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Which - to be clear - is my response to the premise of the thread which 
>> is the premise of the Path Less Pedaled thing. I'm not objecting to the 
>> thread being a thread. 
>>
>> Joe "let me say this about that" Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think a Riv vs. anything low trail really counts as a 
>>> comparison, it's two very different approaches to what is considered the 
>>> "right" way for a bicycle to handle. But my bias is extreme, I bought a 
>>> Crust Lightning Bolt (disc) and hoo boy did I learn the expensive way that 
>>> I do *not *like low trail. Rivs ride the way I need my bikes to ride. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>>>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hM8ZSBRl0>" 
>>>>
>>>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing 
>>>> his Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>>>> could be? 
>>>>
>>>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>>>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>>>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>>>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>>>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing 
>>>> the 
>>>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>>>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust 
>>>> bikes 
>>>> had. 
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared 
>>>> to Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most 
>>>> thing's not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot 
>>>> take 
>>>> on the two?
>>>>
>>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>>>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>>>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>>>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>>>
>>>

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