JS , without being you, all I can say is go long, a 12 or 13. I have a good 
selection of various open face stems so I can try any combo easily. I find 
a combo of a threadless adapter and some cheap threadless 0 degree or 
greater stems great for fitting and or keeping on the bike to ride. That 
said, I'm not a fan of negative rise road stems with a long quill for 
raising handlebars, it's self-defeating.  

"Upright" is such a cliche' though and means nothing more than saying it. 
Unless you're face planted everyone who rides a bike is upright to some 
extent and it's always changing. People have different body types, 
different flexibilities and certainly different sensibilities about 
everything in general. How you're placed over the saddle and your foot 
placement has a big influence on the upper body, so just concentrating on 
the upper with considering everything else is misleading at best. Bike 
riding is a whole body experience, not to mention the "white elephant" in 
the room ..... which is we are not machines...mechanical.. material...... 
we are to put it blunty .... Infinity Itself. 

Riding for joy of Riding Itself. ... Because We Are. 
On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 8:49:11 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings
> I'm looking to try a Billie Bar on my App and unsure on stem length. I 
> think I'm leaning towards a slightly more aero position and would like to 
> have the grip/brake area not too far back.  I'd like to set them up so that 
> position is comfortable and upright but not an issue for steering or knee 
> hitting.  The issue is, I'm not all that long and general ride shorter 
> stems .
> * 9cm for Noodles on my S.H.
> * 8cm for flat waive-like bars on my App currently 
>
> I don't think the "3rd" position in the rounded forward part of the bar is 
> something I would use all that often but definitely the area in front of 
> the levers appeals to me as a primary riding position that sort-of mimics 
> riding on the hoods of a drop bar.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions on how long of a stem works best with these 
> bars?   My gut is saying 11cm but I'm concerned about purchasing such a 
> long stem and it feel way too out there.  It's a 55cm App with a roughly 
> 60cm effective top tube length 
>
> Also if anyone has a Bille Bar they would like to move on, please let me 
> know
> Thank you
> JS
>

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