I'm with Bill here. I believe that material and geometry factor much more into the ride quality of a bike than the joinery(?). Lugs are beautiful and historic, and I imagine many on the board here appreciate them, but you would have trouble convincing me that any perceived difference between two bikes that are otherwise identical was not due to the rider looking to feel something that was not there.
-Ray On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 9:12:44 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Fullylugged said about lugs: " It's not the look, it's the livelier > action you get in a lugged frame, I think" > > That's a pretty hot take. I wonder how many others feel the same way? > The vast majority of folks attribute "liveliness" and "deadness" to tubing > specs: tubing that flexes more is more lively. Tubing that is stiffer is > more dead. The prevailing theory lumps thick walled OS diameter tubing > bikes into the 'dead' camp, and thinwall, standard diameter tubing into the > 'lively' camp. Personally, I have a bunch of bikes with standard diameter > thin wall tubing and a bunch of bikes with OS tubing, and I don't think of > any of them as being more dead than the others. > > Yours is the first take I've seen attributing 'liveliness' to the lugs, or > that tig-welds will make an otherwise lively frame become dead. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 4:29:12 PM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote: > >> >> Bill wrote, " It does not have the lugged look if you need that look". >> The Salsa and the Crust are welded frames. It's not the look, it's the >> livelier action you get in a lugged frame, I think. A Rawland Norvindian >> felt dead underneath me, and so did a LHT. My fullylugged Ram and Road >> OTOH are lively (as are my other 2 fully lugged steel bikes. An old Nashbar >> by Maruishi and a Waterford). I'd take a Toyo Atlantis in a heartbeat if >> one came along in my size. or an AR for that matter. >> No disrespect to the original color, but that new mermaid color is the >> bomb and I'd gladly use it for my next paint job. >> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 2:31:39 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote: >> >>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living >>> in Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I >>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that >>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my >>> size. >>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with >>> some of these aspects from those first runs: >>> >>> 1. The color (of course) >>> 2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone) >>> 3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool >>> with 26' in all sizes) >>> 4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a >>> hair bigger in the large sizes) >>> 5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders >>> >>> Who else would sign up for one? >>> What other aspects would you like? >>> >>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville, >>> >>> Edwin >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d8e5fdaa-4461-48d5-af98-f0948dfe9e92n%40googlegroups.com.
