Laing, your point is exactly my point.  If you use the same lugs you do not
change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work.  If you want to use the
same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the inside,
so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube.  That's my
understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter.

Toshi


On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley <lcon...@brph.com> wrote:

> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of
> the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs
> as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I am
> going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine
> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till
> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the
> black Clementine.
>
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th last
>> year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they changed
>> the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 Hillborne
>> (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a different style
>> than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I notice the
>> Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but both
>> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used
>> in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it
>> did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.
>> Definitely limits ones options.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect
>>> that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker
>>> tube and thinner post.
>>>
>>> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago
>>>> when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell
>>>> (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and
>>>> was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has
>>>> been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the Bombadil
>>>> with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 26.8.
>>>> I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat
>>>> tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my
>>>> frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't
>>>> scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple of
>>>> evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The
>>>> Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My
>>>> custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0
>>>> seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended
>>>> up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I grew
>>>> up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part of
>>>> cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning multiple
>>>> bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 26.4
>>>> Campagnolo Record seatpost.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring
>>>>>> bike designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6.
>>>>>
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