iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle calculations, many factors have influenced me.
Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth making. In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with hand-crafted goodness. I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos. On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in > Grant’s Blahg that they are working on the Roscopus? See below: > > 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent > straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the > threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we > couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're > getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames > are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think > Platypus-Clem offspring. > > Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now? > Leah > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged <bruce.h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > To Doug's comments on Clem L: > > > I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit her > need for a comfortable upright ride. She is mostly on pavement, but some > of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental "Basketball" > tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no trouble doing > club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at under 10 mph. > It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of Rivs more > reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also has a > Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I think. > > To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere: > > Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully > embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or > another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any > Rivendell of any era. I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it > does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am > likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles > every year. > > Bruce > > On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote: > >> Laura, >> I can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the >> waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 >> wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It >> climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink >> the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and >> accelerating. >> Doug >> Athens, Ga >> >> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> EDIT… >>> >>> Jarad = Jared >>> >>> Lime green = Lime olive >>> >>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction >>> >>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote: >>> >>>> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers >>>> have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but >>>> the answers have also made me yearn for both! >>>> >>>> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to >>>> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an >>>> all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily >>>> tipping >>>> the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it >>>> placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out >>>> till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in >>>> 2021, >>>> then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!! >>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the >>>>> limitations of either. >>>>> >>>>> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type >>>>> of riding you describe with ease. >>>>> >>>>> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger >>>>> tire to take full advantage of its potential. >>>>> >>>>> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in >>>>> a way that leaves you wanting for nothing. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, >>>>> where as the Plat handles similar loads with ease. >>>>> >>>>> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my >>>>> previous size L. >>>>> >>>>> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, >>>>> I feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, >>>>> tho I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time. >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck with whatever you choose >>>>> >>>>> Jared in SLO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes >>>>>> are multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire >>>>>> size >>>>>> out of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the >>>>>> comparison. I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without >>>>>> fenders. Still curious to hear about ride quality from real world >>>>>> experience. Anyone riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or >>>>>> picking their Platypus for off-road trails? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Laura, welcome! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The >>>>>>> max listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The >>>>>>> Susie goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of >>>>>>> air >>>>>>> between trail and rim. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is >>>>>>> both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the >>>>>>> current >>>>>>> models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think >>>>>>> you'll >>>>>>> need to weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, >>>>>>> higher toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> choose based on the name you like best! 🙂 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months >>>>>>>> more for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are >>>>>>>> back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up >>>>>>>> fast >>>>>>>> incase I decide on a Susie. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded >>>>>>>> version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one >>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>> vintage MTB category. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same, >>>>>>>> how do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the >>>>>>>> bikes >>>>>>>> a better all-rounder??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style >>>>>>>>> frame that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as >>>>>>>>> well? >>>>>>>>> Would that possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >>>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Laura! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a >>>>>>>>> Susie, but I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> Susie). I won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> my bikes are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing >>>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>> riding Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? >>>>>>>>> Because there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell >>>>>>>>> soon, >>>>>>>>> like this month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late >>>>>>>>> 2022. >>>>>>>>> (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few >>>>>>>>> months >>>>>>>>> delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then >>>>>>>>> November, and >>>>>>>>> so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next >>>>>>>>> year.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, >>>>>>>>> Platys will arrive later in 2022. >>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which >>>>>>>>>> Rivendell bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and >>>>>>>>>> a Susie >>>>>>>>>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, >>>>>>>>>> or have >>>>>>>>>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. >>>>>>>>>> Ideally, I >>>>>>>>>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, >>>>>>>>>> hard-packed sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie >>>>>>>>>> for trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” >>>>>>>>>> all-terrain >>>>>>>>>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the >>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>> be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed >>>>>>>>>> for? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help, >>>>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3854c011-f48f-4b08-ae6f-4e378c1d77ean%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3854c011-f48f-4b08-ae6f-4e378c1d77ean%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/a5Q_G831l3w/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b45ac89-ecd2-4ebe-ad7f-4e222e6f7113n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b45ac89-ecd2-4ebe-ad7f-4e222e6f7113n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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