I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a kid! On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we understand > anything at all about anyone and anything ! Hence, I find the idea that we > *ought. > should, could or would *know just the perfect thing to say at all times, > "or else" we either play the part of the mis-understand-er or the > mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and darned if you don't ..... > where *you're darned no matter what you say or do* seems the standard > bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard at all ! > > My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in > response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no > "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not > getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal > pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. > > > > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was >> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie >> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in >> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer >> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety >> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and >> lugged frames. >> >> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote: >> >>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because >>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a >>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other >>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the >>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then >>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock.... that >>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it >>> countless times. >>> >>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. >>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged >>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied. What's in >>> name anyways ? A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song .... >>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha !!!! As with any bike, it's not it's >>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break >>> it.... it's the bike in whole that is everything. >>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle >>>> calculations, many factors have influenced me. >>>> >>>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth >>>> making. >>>> >>>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the >>>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment >>>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a >>>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with >>>> hand-crafted goodness. >>>> >>>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. >>>> Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid >>>> chaos. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>> Ding! wrote: >>>> >>>>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in >>>>> Grant’s Blahg that they are working on the Roscopus? See below: >>>>> >>>>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 >>>>> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened >>>>> to >>>>> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent >>>>> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and >>>>> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the >>>>> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think >>>>> Platypus-Clem offspring. >>>>> >>>>> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now? >>>>> Leah >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged <bruce.h...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> To Doug's comments on Clem L: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit >>>>> her need for a comfortable upright ride. She is mostly on pavement, but >>>>> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental >>>>> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has >>>>> no >>>>> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at >>>>> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of >>>>> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus >>>>> also >>>>> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I >>>>> think. >>>>> >>>>> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully >>>>> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or >>>>> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any >>>>> Rivendell of any era. I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it >>>>> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I >>>>> am >>>>> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles >>>>> every year. >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Laura, >>>>>> I can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy >>>>>> the waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, >>>>>> 2.3 wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and >>>>>> asphalt. >>>>>> It climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me >>>>>> rethink the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and >>>>>> accelerating. >>>>>> Doug >>>>>> Athens, Ga >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> EDIT… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jarad = Jared >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lime green = Lime olive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the >>>>>>>> answers have made me confident that either bike will be a great >>>>>>>> all-rounder, but the answers have also made me yearn for both! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential >>>>>>>> to compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily >>>>>>>> tipping >>>>>>>> the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it >>>>>>>> out till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> 2021, then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!! >>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near >>>>>>>>> the limitations of either. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the >>>>>>>>> type of riding you describe with ease. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a >>>>>>>>> larger tire to take full advantage of its potential. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding >>>>>>>>> in a way that leaves you wanting for nothing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, >>>>>>>>> where as the Plat handles similar loads with ease. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up >>>>>>>>> from my previous size L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as >>>>>>>>> well, I feel there is enough difference between the two to justify >>>>>>>>> owning >>>>>>>>> both, tho I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best of luck with whatever you choose >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jared in SLO >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell >>>>>>>>>> bikes are multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the >>>>>>>>>> 2.2 tire >>>>>>>>>> size out of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> comparison. I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle >>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>> fenders. Still curious to hear about ride quality from real world >>>>>>>>>> experience. Anyone riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or >>>>>>>>>> picking their Platypus for off-road trails? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laura, welcome! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. >>>>>>>>>>> The max listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 >>>>>>>>>>> inches. The >>>>>>>>>>> Susie goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots >>>>>>>>>>> of air >>>>>>>>>>> between trail and rim. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer >>>>>>>>>>> is both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the >>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>> models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I >>>>>>>>>>> think you'll >>>>>>>>>>> need to weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet >>>>>>>>>>> joints, >>>>>>>>>>> higher toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, >>>>>>>>>>> you can >>>>>>>>>>> choose based on the name you like best! 🙂 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>> me2g...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 >>>>>>>>>>>> months more for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and >>>>>>>>>>>> parts >>>>>>>>>>>> are back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve >>>>>>>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>>>>>>> to get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my >>>>>>>>>>>> mind up fast >>>>>>>>>>>> incase I decide on a Susie. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig >>>>>>>>>>>> welded version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already >>>>>>>>>>>> have one >>>>>>>>>>>> in the vintage MTB category. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the >>>>>>>>>>>> same, how do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is >>>>>>>>>>>> one of the >>>>>>>>>>>> bikes a better all-rounder??? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>> bjmi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style >>>>>>>>>>>>> frame that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming >>>>>>>>>>>>> as well? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that possibly be something that would fit the bill for >>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >>>>>>>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laura! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie, but I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike >>>>>>>>>>>>> category as >>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie). I won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> my bikes are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos >>>>>>>>>>>>> showing guys >>>>>>>>>>>>> riding Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> doable. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike? Because there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>> soon, like this month, but there will be no Platypuses until >>>>>>>>>>>>> middle to late >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022. (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a >>>>>>>>>>>>> couple/few >>>>>>>>>>>>> months delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, >>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>> November, and so on and so forth. They actually came in April or >>>>>>>>>>>>> May of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> next year.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Platys will arrive later in 2022. >>>>>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> me2g...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which Rivendell bike will be my first. I am torn between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platypus and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridden both, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or have turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ideally, I would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> years to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard-packed sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie for trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.2” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-terrain tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences be minor or is the geometry on one better able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adapt? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed for? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3854c011-f48f-4b08-ae6f-4e378c1d77ean%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3854c011-f48f-4b08-ae6f-4e378c1d77ean%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/a5Q_G831l3w/unsubscribe >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b45ac89-ecd2-4ebe-ad7f-4e222e6f7113n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b45ac89-ecd2-4ebe-ad7f-4e222e6f7113n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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