All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help
with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the
neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play.

So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't
willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller
frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH?

Aaron

On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells
> > frames are not designed for drop bars.  With the long top tubes you
> > need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach.
>
> UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso.
>
> The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people
> come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's
> like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations:
>
> Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes.
>
> Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that
> cat.
>
> As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them
> longer (effectively, not literally).
>
> Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem & we
> gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84
> Centurion Ironman, etc.
>
> I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a
> bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for
> the size.
>
> Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky,
> but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9.
>
> G
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